Monday, February 11, 2008
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams started quite a row a few days ago when he suggested that Britain's legal system should accommodate aspects of traditional Islamic law. Britons on the left and the right have agreed to vehemently disagree with him - and to say their piece about Sharia law.
The British have been putting up with so much lately. I was wondering which straw would break the camel's back. This may or may not be it, but if anyone deserves to be deluged by his own self-generated shitstorm, it's his Holiness.
A selection of responses:
From Baroness Sayeeda Warsi: Sharia would not help integration but disunity
Instead, we need to create a society that is held together by a strong sense of shared identity and common values, encourages active citizenship and inspires people to join. For me, this means two things: localism and responsibility. Cohesion is local because, after all, it's about people learning to live alongside each other in neighbourhoods. This means listening to individual voices and ideas, particularly from women and young people, and devolving power through local government to the grassroots.
Cohesion is also about responsibility, because we're all in this together
David T. at Harry's Place says Sack Rowan Williams, Disestablish the Church
But, most of all, they should keep their foolish bearded faces out of the business of lawmaking.
In the Spectator, Melanie Philips asks: Dhimmi -- or just dim? * (link thanks to T.)
Ali Eteraz opposes Sharia Arbitration Courts in UK
I hear a lot that the arbitration courts don't apply unless both parties consent.
I guess people forget that for Muslims, marriage is an all-family business. Heck, its in the Quran that in cases of marital-conflict you appoint two negotiators. You think these negotiators -- whose primary motivation, due to social stigma, is going to be to keep the couple from divorcing -- is not going to try and talk them towards the Sharia court?
Coercion won't be by people putting a gun to the heads of women. Instead, women will be gently "reminded" (with a nice hard grasp on their arm) that if they don't go to Sharia judge they will be seen as impious and not-devout. You have no idea of the power of social death.
Joan Smith: British women are already suffering from Islamic law
If a woman is running away from her parents or a violent husband, mosques and sharia courts are not the obvious place for her to turn to get justice. The Centre for Social Cohesion study contains a startling insight into attitudes in one British mosque, reported by Mohamed Baleela, a team leader at the Domestic Violence Intervention Project in Hammersmith, west London. "Last time I talked about marital rape in a mosque," he said, "I nearly got beaten up. Because we said that the law makes it illegal to rape your wife, someone got up and hit me because he was ignorant of the law."
There is an argument, and it is a compelling one, that we should all be subject to the same laws. People who look favourably on a parallel system of religious courts for civil matters claim they do no harm if all parties consent to their use. This, of course, is the crux of the matter: how can we know that women from traditional and religious families have given consent when they are under huge pressure from relatives? They may be threatened into accepting the authority of a religious court, just as hundreds of young women (and some young men) are coerced into getting married against their will...
...Only someone as out of touch with modern Britain as the Archbishop of Canterbury could possibly think otherwise, or line up so willingly with the forces of reaction.
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: What he wishes on us is an abomination
Pray tell me sir, how do separate and impenetrable courts and schools and extreme female segregation promote commonalities and deep bonds between citizens of these small isles?
What he did on Thursday was to convince other Britons, white, black and brown, that Muslims want not equality but exceptionalism and their own domains. Enlightened British Muslims quail. Friends like this churchman do us more harm than our many enemies. He passes round what he believes to be the benign libation of tolerance. It is laced with arsenic.
From the Times' Sharia in Britain: your reaction
TP, Manchester
Sharia in Britain? Come should we really have to discuss such an issue in our own country. Unbelievable! How long are we gonna be ruled by the appeasing vote-fishers... I've been a center-left-wing liberal for years, but here's my vote to the BNP!!!!!!! Time to send a serious signal to the government to speak up and protect our British (European) values and rights now and in the future. Or should we better consider to convert to Islam in the future to complete the course of appeasement?
Georg Lasko, London
How the west was won. I'm not on about the Led Zep album.
We are being conquered without a sword being raised. The sheep in Britain need to read some real history and look at the facts.
Tolerence?. I call it a weakness.
WAKE UP!
MDK, Liverpool , England
The whole issue has been taken out of porportion. The Islamic Shari'a Council (ISC) is not asking for the implementation of the Shari'a as a whole but only Personal Family Law; divorces, inheritance etc. In regards to criminal prosecution the ISC has not asked for this to be altered in Britain.
If we are such a tolerant society why do we show so much hatred to another mans' opinion. In the past Chritians and Jews have been allowed to rule amongst them selves whilst living under Islam Law, why the opposition? it will not effect anyone who is not a Muslim. It seems as though the media has caste a bad image of the Shari'a, let s not forget the welfare state was first established by the Muslims, a system we all today reap the benefits of. Finally for those who do not know some Shari'ah is already implemented in the British system. e.g. laws in relation to paparazzi.
Zeb, London, UK
I have just read all 244 comments on Rowan William's support of Sharia in today's paper. Could all 244 readers of the Times be wrong? It's high time for the Archbishop to seek treatment for his mental and spiritual condition.
San Ying, Montreal, Canada QC
In the British reports, the most common reader comment I saw [although no media source advocated this] was a variation on "Will no one rid us of this troublesome priest?"
However, there are some folks who are willing to stand up for Sharia. Dean Esmay says:
And in Wales
But secretary of the Welsh Muslim Council Saleem Kidwai backed the under-fire Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, saying his message had been taken out of context, and labelled the backlash "typical Islamophobia".
And while the Brits roundly denounce an employee of their state who dares to stand up for apartheid and oppression, in the USA former state department employee John B. proudly notes that Saudi law is being applied in Texas and Minnesota courts