Thursday, April 17, 2008
Police: Man found in the lake was a teacher
AUSTIN, Texas -- Police on Thursday identified a man who was found bound with duct tape in Lady Bird Lake in East Austin.
Parkgoers discovered the body of Riad Hamad, 55, Wednesday afternoon just east of the Interstate 35 bridge near Festival Beach.
Hamad was a computer teacher at Small Middle School and had been planning a trip to Palestine to teach children there.
Witnesses who found Hamad said the man had duct tape on his face, and his hands were tied.
Police have called the death suspicious. Investigators on Thursday said family and other sources have told them that Hamad was suicidal...
Hamad ran the Palestine Children's Welfare Fund (PCWF), a radical Gaza-based "charity" that helped children by teaching them to hate Jews. He sued a number of people and entities like David Horowitz, NGO Monitor and others, lost big and had to pay court costs.
On January 17, 2007, a Texas Federal Court judge dismissed as "wholly frivolous" and "baseless" Palestine Children's Welfare Fund (PCWF) Riad ElSolh Hamad's defamation suit against NGO Monitor, Frontpage Jerusalem, the Center for Study of Popular Culture and others. Hamad charged the organizations had defamed him and violated his constitutional and civil rights linking him and his charity in newspaper and Internet articles to Islamic fundamentalist terror.
In addition to dismissing Hamad's claims as "groundless", United States District Court Judge, Sam Sparks, leveled Rule 11 sanctions against Hamad and ordered him to pay defendants' attorney's fees and costs totaling almost $60,000 as well as a $1000 fine to each defendant for Hamad's repeated violation of court orders...
NGO Monitor's report on the PCWF:
...these worthy goals are being undermined by the promotion of an atmosphere of hatred and violence. There is no humanitarian justification for publishing drawings by small children depicting the burning maps of the State of Israel. The T-shirt on sale with the poem alluding to martyrdom only helps to push Palestinian children deeper into more misery. The message board includes outrageous claims that reflect the propaganda of those wishing to pursue the conflict without end. On the basis of this evidence, one can conclude that this NGO raises its funds on false premises, and that its activities are a far cry from the purely humanitarian mission claimed in its mission statement.
According to Discover the Networks:
...Hamad has said, "Britain allowed several hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to land in Palestine, despite the opposition of the original inhabitants. In our opinion, [the Jews] arrived illegally and will be deported to their nation of origin...sooner or later." He has also suggested that it is a misconception to assume "that most of us Arabs recognize the right of Israel to exist."
The FBI has investigated Hamad on a number of occasions. His resume includes being fired from Austin Community College for allegedly "making racist slurs and sexist jokes in the classroom." In Hamad's version of the event, however, he explains that he was in fact fired for "making statements against the U.S. government." Hamad is currently an instructor at a different school, in his words, "till I get fired again."
Or he's murdered, apparently [Update: See below]. More about PCWF in this piece at FrontPage by Joe Kaufman.
Update: The Texas Scribbler links to the police press release [PDF] noting that:
...tape was found around the eyes, and the hands and legs were loosely bound. The bindings of his hands and legs and placement of the tape were consistent with Hamad having done this to himself. Detectives know that Hamad walked from his vehicle to the water on his own based on evidence retrieved from the scene.
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This is just a wild guess from watching too much "Law and Order" and reading the news - most terrorist organizations in the US are making money doing standard mob-type stuff like cigarette smuggling. It sounds like this he may have owed a lot of money to (or somehow angered) some of his fellow NGO members and activists and they decided to make an example of him.
This may open a whole can of worms, like the murders committed by the mob that ran "Your Black Muslim Bakery", in Oakland, CA.
Probably one of the most interesting and kind teachers I've ever had. First of all he was a very dry and frank man. Making sarcastic jokes such as calling guys hippies if they had long hair or telling someone to stop smoking if they coughed. This asside personally my experience with him was that he cared about what he said. We talked about travel, food, people, and music in the time i had in his class which was supposed to be a boring typing class. He took us all on a field trip to the convinient store on the last day of school for fun and to chalange the rules a little bit. He was no terrorist, racist, or sexist. Just a man who was sending money and books to palestinian refugees, under alot of stress with a job in education and a heart for people.
Local police are saying it was suicide, as the bindings were done by him, but I'm guessing he wanted to make it look like a murder. So much so that the ACLU local chapter fired off emails telling "activists" that he was murdered before they knew all the facts. Wonder why?
Suicide? I can buy someone taping their own mouth, but how'd he tie his own hands?
Try suicide, as a first guess. Duct tape could have been self applied. His family reports he was usicidial. If murder, come up with the suspects or stop speculating.
I work for ACC, this guy had a personal problem.
So he could have done a Makazian?
Maybe...
Perhaps he didn't intend to die - this could have been a staged hate crime/kidnapping gone awry, i.e. "They taped me up and threw me in the lake, but I was able to swim to shore after they left."
yes,i can also say he can tape his mouth,put how can he tape his hands he would have to gat help from other people in order to do this.
so i think that he was helped by someone or someone set it up to be suicide but killed him first i think they need to do an autopsy on him.
yes,i can also say he can tape his mouth,but how can he tape his hands he would have to get help from other people in order to do this.
so i think that he was helped by someone or someone set it up to be suicide but killed him first i think they need to do an autopsy on him.
Contrary to Griff's attempted beatification of Mr. Hamad, it appears to me that the world of the non-muslim is a much better place today without Mr. Hamad's presence.
Solomon, great catch and it should drive folks crazy trying to uphold one theory or another. If by his own hand, that is sad, I'd rather he honestly dealt with the fines he was given and had to make an apology to those he slandered. If murdered, I hope they catch the perps and give them life at hard labor making stone chips out of great big boulders. Oh, and no TV either nor any of the other goodies too often found in prisons.
CSI: Austin
They probably will, anyway, quinton. Actually, probably already have. But if he drowned, what would that prove anyway? There are several ways one can bind one's own hands, duct tape a fairly simple one, but they require advanced planning, and (if you know what to look for) there typically are certain signs.
However, I think we can all agree that there are only really two options here: either it was a murder and the responsible parties cleaned up after themselves well enough to make it look personally inflicted, or he did this to himself and made the wider circumstances look suspicious enough to possibly be (attempted) murder.
Either way, there should be a full investigation going on right about now.
Griff, yeah, great guy, because he "cared about what he said." There's no way that could ever go wrong, eh?
Judging from your writing, I conclude that this professor was not particularly concerned with teaching his students to communicate in clear English.
Good riddance to bad garbage. Did anyone praising this guy actually follow the links to see what he was really like?
According to this post in "The People's Voice", Hamad sent this letter out to his friends on April 6th..
"Dear friends,
Please DO NOT respond to this email as it is for your information only..besides the government harassment, the hateful environment from some students at school because I am an Arab and a Muslim...and their racist comments, I have been getting phone calls around midnight by some one saying "where is your camel.." and last...a car was vandalized about two years ago....last night around 1 30 in the morning..someone rang the bell and ran away....and you could hear all the dogs in the neighborhood barking when the person who rang the bell ran away...A real loving environment towards Arabs and Muslims....and it makes wonder..what have I done wrong?
SHUKRAN for your work and support
Salamat
Riad Hamad"
-- Also according to the People's Voice, one reason why Hamad may have been so depressed. In February....
About 18 FBI and IRS agents bearing guns and a search warrant from Judge Robert Pittman, [ well known for his hostility to Palestinians and Arabs and with whom Riad has had previous experience with] searched every nook and cranny of his apartment.
They left with more than forty boxes of papers, files, computers, CDs and an ounce and a half of catnip.
No charges were filed at the time against Riad and he was not arrested, but the investigators claim they had probable cause to investigate wire fraud, bank fraud and money laundering.
They must have had a lot of probable cause if they had a warrant. Vin Makazian may have owed Big Pussy 30 large, but at least he didn't try to frame someone for his death. That's so unkind..
Riad Hamad was a beautiful man who sacrificed everything he had, including his life, to help the poor and disabled, particularly children. He was selfless and peace-loving, with a pure heart and a passion for justice and truth and refugee children in Palestine and Lebanon.
Because of his activism he was targetted by the FBI and by hate groups seeking to destroy him. He was never charged with any crime, and he never committed any crime. No matter the exact cause of his death, it was the result of a campaign of racism and hatred diected at him.
He will be missed by all of us who loved him, and most desperately by the impoverished families he helped.
Salamaat, Riad. Rest in peace.
I swear some people are mindless and blind, or we can say that some people don't use their brain or they have no brain at all...
RIAD HAMAD WAS A RESPECTFUL MAN WITH A VERY KIND HEART AND LIVE CONCIENCE THAT FELT WITH THE MISERY OF OTHER PEOPLE HE'S NOT WATCH PEOPLE DIE AND SUFFER WHILE HE JUST WATCHES HE WAS A SELFLESS PERSON IN EVERY WAY, HE COULDN'T SIT AND WATCH HE SENT MEDICINE MONEY AND BOOKS TO SUFFERING CHILDREN IN PALESTINE KNOWING THAT HE WASN'T RICH HE DEPRIVED HIMSELF TO HELP OTHERS RIAD HAMAD IS BETTER THAN ALL OF US IF NOT AT LEAST HAVE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD
Oddly enough, an episode of Law and Order just this week involved the death of a woman bound and gagged that turned out to be an accidental suicide. Thought of as a robbery/murder at first, at the very end one of the investigators looked at the bindings, and found that they were done by herself, rather than by someone facing her. As she had called her father before doing it, claiming she was bound in her trunk, it was a cry for attention that went wrong.
There's not enough public evidence except what's stated by the police to know whether it was a suicide or a murder, but if the former, I wonder if he may have gotten the idea from the show. Or if it's just one of those bizarre coincidences.
if ever there was a decent,honest person,it was riyad hamad.his biggest problem was knowing there were hungry humans all over the globe.and for the information of many of u hateful people,riyad had many jewish friends and the trust fund money was sent equally to churches and mosques in palestine.god rest his pure soul.he was too good to remain with us,a bunch of spiteful hate filled monsters.
"No matter the exact cause of his death, it was the result of a campaign of racism and hatred diected at him."
Hurrah for racism and hatred then.
TO ALL THE RACISTS ILLTALKING PEOPLE READ THE BELOW:
"PCWF is a non-political, non-religious enterprise whose aspirations are purely humanitarian and for the purpose of emancipating the children of Palestine and the human rights of the people and children of Palestine.
http://www.pcwf.org/
Riad had been expecting this for 37 years but refused to be intimidated, and insisted upon exercising his full right to defend Palestinian rights - and his own - in America.
Riad lived off his modest schoolteacher salary.
100% of the proceeds from PCWF have benefited thousands of Palestinians with jobs, food, medicine, books, hospital equipment and other humanitarian needs.
On April 6, 2008 he wrote:
Dear friends,
Please DO NOT respond to this email as it is for your information only..besides the government harassment, the hateful environment from some students at school because I am an Arab and a Muslim...and their racist comments, I have been getting phone calls around midnight by some one saying "where is your camel.." and last...a car was vandalized about two years ago....last night around 1 30 in the morning..someone rang the bell and ran away....and you could hear all the dogs in the neighborhood barking when the person who rang the bell ran away...A real loving environment towards Arabs and Muslims....and it makes wonder..what have I done wrong?
SHUKRAN for your work and support
Salamat
Riad Hamad"
I get plotlines from both shows confused all the time, too. It was an episode of CSI from season five called, "Formalities".
by the way my above comment was taken from this site:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/04/18/p24853
open your eyes people
http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/PalestineInFocus/Thepeople/articles/02-1.shtml
One less terrorist supporter and apologist in the world. I wish I could say "Rest in Peace," but Hamad was a Muslim. He's probably having a wild time having sex with 72 raisins and young boys with skin like pearls, drinking wine, and drooling over the breast, thighs, and legs of the raisins.
A letter fromthe Palestine Children's Welfare Fund circulatingon the Internet
Dear Friends,
We are pleased to announce that the Jewish Palestine Solidarity Committee of Jewish Voice for Peace contributed 982 dollars ( nine hundred and eighty two dollars) which was raised through the sales of Palestinian olive oil to the children of Palestine.PCWF received the check and money will be forwarded to the Jayyous Charitable Society to buy 250 sets of books to teach children English.The money will be part of a drive by PCWF to equip the library of the society with books, notebooks, coloring pencils and other childrens tools for the children to learn and enjoy simple things during their spare timeWe will also be arranging drawing competitions, writing competitions and tree planting events to thank the Jewish Voices for Peace and to express our appreciation for their solidarity and generosity.
Please forward this message to your friends and colleagues and let them know that Sharon and his gang do not represent the Jews and their actions have nothing to do with Judaism.
Thanks for your patience and support,
Salamat
Riad Hamad
ok first of all this is not a joke, mr.hamad was a great man and a great teacher he is not a terrorist he is simply trying to help out people that are less fortunet than us if you think about it if you lived in oklahoma and yournegboring state had a natral disaster wouldnt you help them outif you had the time and the money to wich he did? MR.HAMAD IS NOT A TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May Riad rest in peace. May God grant him pardon and the garden of Paradise. People who knew him closely know that he was a very considerate, kind and hard-working man who spared no effort in helping people, especially palestinian children who are under siege in Palestine. Non-muslims as well as muslims feel his loss as almost irreplaceable. But his works will not go in vain, and others will continue to work along the example that he has set for sincere and hard-working activists.
People reading these comments should know that emails have gone out on various activist lists advising people of the death and telling people to go out proactively and make sure that Hamad is remembered as a man of peace, not a hatemonger. They've been advised to do it even before any stories appear so that if he is written about, that's the view of him that's portrayed. In fact, that's how I found out.
MR.HAMAD IS NOT A TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...Not anymore.
It's true that Riad's friends are sharing the incomprehensible news of his sudden death. We know there are racists and hatemongers who will try to demonize his name and reputation, as some have already done here.
Riad was such a remarkable man, a man who loved all people who believe in peace and justice no matter what their religion or race, that we know he and those like him can be frightening for those who don't share his values and his beautiful spirit.
Riad stayed remarkable cheerful when he was attacked and slandered during his life by Islamophobes and radical zionists. He kept his eyes on the prize, which for Riad was saving innocent children suffering an insufferable and brutal occupation.
Those of us who knew and loved Riad will not allow his memory to be attacked by mean spirited and small minded individuals who can never aspire to his greatness.
SHUKRAN for your work and support, Riad.
Salamat
If Riad committed suicide we understand.
If was murdered we know why.
These things happened every day some sixty/ seventy years ago in some other country and the rest is history.
Riad, all my love…we will NOT stop caring for your children.
You have at last found peace and freedom.
Good riddance to a terrorist. I'll be glad when my Israelis take you "people" out once and for all.
It's not that I'm a racist hatemonger, Maria, but I would say that for a Muslim in America raising money for dubious charities, careful is the watchword. And I happen to think this guy is guilty of funding terrorism.
This type of rhetoric and behavior will only get worse while the liberals refuse to allow America and it's allies to prosecute and win the war against these terroristic Islamic Muslims.
Terror breeds fear, fear breeds anger and hate. So, actually, the Muslims are reaping what they have sown. They are the victims of terror, fear, anger and hate. Dangerous it is to walk the path of the dark side.
There isn't anything dubious about small children who need food and medicine, many of them handicapped and all of them poor. Every penny donated to Riad's Children's charity went to help a child, probably as much of it coming from Jews as from "Arabs."
It's sad to see somebody talk about "the Muslims" in the way you do. I imagine if I said "the Jews" you would be offended, and I wouldn't blame you.
I know many many Arabs -- not all of them Muslim by the way. And many Jews, in and outside of Israel. I know quite a few Jews I would call "terrorists", having been attacked, robbed and beaten by a bunch of rabid settlers while standing peacefully on Palestinian land. I never met an Arab terrorist, though I know there are a good number. And actually I would consider most of them to be "counter-terrorists."
I could say I wish you had known Riad, but I can tell you wouldn't have even tried to know him. Your loss. He was one in a million.
Riad stayed remarkable cheerful when he was attacked and slandered during his life by Islamophobes and radical zionists.
Nuff said. Typical lefty Austin-think. Let's you know exactly where his sentiments were. I wonder how much of the "children's" money went to buy guns for the "counter-terrorists"?
It is a horrible thing that he has died but it seems within the realm of possibilities that this may have been a PR stunt gone wrong. The radio said the duct tape was "loosely wrapped", whatever that means. Hamad was willing in the past to sue his perceived enemies; maybe this time he was trying to demonstrate local "Islamophobia" to get news coverage. Who knows?
It obviously wasn't an accident
Most accidents that happen to political big mouthes in the united states involve falling down stairs.
Check the stats.
I think the stairs in the rest of the world must be cushioned , or have wider steps.
How could an arab ever feel suicidal living in Texas , that sounds pretty implausible, unless people were treating him like a Mexican by mistake.
No one would kill anyone in Texas for political reasons, try and think of an example, Its the land of the free right.
American democracy might be based on murder and slander behind the game show facade, but here in Europe its sooo boring , you pays your money and make your choice.
I think it was a hit squad of Palestinian red necks, because they are the only people in the world with no working form of democracy.
The lake is named after a family of murderers aint it , that might be significant.....
Love and Peace
Here's what you apologists and defenders of Mr. Hamad STILL don't seem to get: We the people of the United States of America are STILL waiting for apologies, many apologies, public apologies, for all of the celebrating that went on in Gaza and elsewhere on 9/11. We are still waiting. I've looked for it on TV, I've looked for on the internet, and I STILL haven't found anything resembling it.
You continue to say Islam is a religion of peace. This simply does not square with the reality of the last five years. Muslims blow each other up when they're not blowing up American and British and Australian armed forces, or lobbing shells into Israel. You're always blowing shit up! And yet you persist in insisting you're a religion of peace?
The ball is very much in your court right now, and I think you know it. I am positive I'm not the only one who has had it with your schizophrenia. If you're REALLY about peace, then stop blowing shit up all the time, and stop blaming everybody else for your problems too. You've got like six gazillion dollars from oil revenues and you STILL can't feed your own children? Do you realize how ludicrous that is? Get your house in order, RIGHT NOW, and stop ruining my day with all of your lunatic blather about Israel and George Bush and the FBI and everything else. The ball is in your court. Take care of it, or Coach Bobby Knight will jerk your sorry ass from the game and kick you in the leg on your way to the bench. Your game STINKS right now, and it's up to you to get better.
That's all.
No TV? Are you kidding? I'd make them watch Oprah and Dr. Phil reruns at top volume in their spare time.
One less splodeydope in the world. It's good news for all.
TO LITTLE MISS KELLY PALMER
first of all if you are bored with this thing or feel like you're wasting you're time on something other than your make up and dresses, then stop reading this blog OR you can check google for news and records about isreal occupying lebanon for many years and killing it's people and CHILDREN especially, wwith their high technlogy that comes from your tax money; if you have a bit of HUMANITY in you you would recognise that RIAD HAMAD was a PEACE ACTIVIST he only wanted peace while you sit and throw your hateful comments about Arabs that are people like you; who unfortunatly were shown to you by media as monsters while believe me we are much more free minded and educated than you are in million times so please go do your homework before accusing other people of racism and hatred look inside your heart and see the hatred sewn by media in you.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT 9 11 WAS DONE BY ARABS AND THUS OVERPOWERING AMERICAN RADARS AND HIGH TECHNOLOGY.
I never heard of Riad Hamad before.
After a simple search it seems that calling this guy a "peace activist" is a big stretch.
A "Peace Activist" doesn't send money to terrorists, create a website praising suicide bombers, honor "snake" yassin the late "spiritual leader" of hamas and so on.
A REAL "Peace Activist" denounces violence on BOTH SIDES. That means in addition to Riads denouncing Israel and the US, he would also denounce violence emanating from so-called "palestine", or 'PaleSWINE", and violence from hamas, islamic jihad, Al-Qada (remember them), muslim brotherhood, islamic jihad, plo, pflp, fatah, islamofascist regime of iran.
When have you ever seen an "anti-war activist" hold a sign denouncing al-qada, osama bin laden and the rest of his gang?
The answer is NEVER.
During WW2 if someone defended nazi Germany, that person would be picked up by the FBI and put into protective custody.
Riad shouldn't have died in the US. I'd rather he meet his destiny facing off with American soldiers in iraq.
It's difficult to read some of the evil comments on this blog, comments coming from Zionist apologists for Israeli terror against an occupied Christian and Muslim Palestinian people. The websites you refer us to are ALL Zionist websites. The URLs many of you attach are the worst examples of Islamaphobia and racism.
Since many of you writing this crap had never met Riad nor worked with him nor read anything about him that wasn't colored by Daniel Pipes and his ilk, what right to you have to judge?
This man worked for the past 15 years giving everything he had to the Palestinians, women and children who have suffered under the boot of Israel. I knew him for six years, worked with him, raised money for PCWF, and I have been honored to know him. Most of you with your sneering nasty postings don't the the intelligence or humanity to kiss Riad's shoes.
I'd suggest you learn something about what is really happening in Palestine. Buy Ilan Pappe's book, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" for a start... for those of you who can read.
Eddie wrote:
@Eddie: I don't think you've been paying enough attention to 'peace activists' the last thirty or so years.
Berlin wrote:
@Berlin: Jordan is Palestine. Israel is Israel, and it's the most legitimate, democratic, liberal state in the region.
Spoken like a true racist, Sterling. The idea that Jordan is Palestine and Israel is Israel is appalling. Israel is not a democracy, it's a theocracy. It has no constitution, because then, it would have to obey it. It has not set borders, because it would have to live inside them. It treats its Sephardic Jews as second class citizens, its Ethiopian Jews as third class citizens, and its Christian and Muslim Palestinians are 4th class citizens. I can't begin to tell you how racist that place is and how horrible.
I lived there for two years, an Ashkenazi Jew, the favored ones in Israel. I finally couldn't stomach the horrors I saw in the occupied territories and was amazed at the courtesy and humanity of the Palestinians there, people who have NO civil or human rights.
I left to come back and bear witness to what Israel thinks it does in my name. The rest of you who disparage Riad and/or think you know what you're talking about should go and see for yourselves. We Americans pay for this genocide, and we should be ashamed of ourselves. Until Israel becomes a state for all of its people, it can't come close to saying it's a democracy. It gives democracy a VERY bad name.
Wow, the call has indeed gone out. Greta Berlin, Anna Baltzer...the full-time professional dismantle Israel activists are all showing up. I feel like I'm really getting to know him through the wonderful company he kept. I think this thread has done more to throw the "he was a man of peace" BS out the window than I ever could have hoped.
Anna Baltzer:
Last time I checked the so-called "Palestinians" and the bulk of the citizenry of Israel were the same race. More, they're both subsets of the same ethnicity: semitic. Where they vary is in culture and religion, and those are both fair game.
Also, since you like to hurl insults, you can go fuck yourself.
Oh really Solomon? And you would be? Having been in the occupied West Bank three times over the past four years and witnessed for myself the daily suffering of the Palestinians, I fail to see your point. I have seen and participated in Palestinian nonviolent actions in places like Bil'in, where the only violence was against us. I have seen Quaker peacekeepers beaten by illegal settlers. I have been there when illegal settlers shot and killed six sheep for no reason than they could while the Palestinian shepherd wept. I have seen Palestinian children shot through the head by Israeli snipers, deliberately targeted. People like you, apologists for the racist state of Israel are frightened, sad racists, because your deepest fear is that the truth will get out and Israel will be exposed for what it really is...a white, racist state similar to what South Africa once was.
Riad Hamad is just the latest victim of this vicious regime, a man who spent a great deal of his life trying to make other's lives better. And what have you done Solomon? What?
I'm honored and proud to have worked with Riad. I never saw him raise his voice over what was happening to him. Many of us were and are much more outraged over his treatment by the U.S. government, egged on by the Zionists in this country.
So you go right ahead Solomon and rant, because you're afraid of the truth. You certainly do not fit your name. Sad really.
And I've got to laugh when you start calling other Jews anti-Semites. Or self-hating Jews. Give me a break, you silly man. Because I despise what the U.S. government does in my name, does that make me a self-hating American? No, that makes me a patriot, something you seem to have forgotten since you obviously have more loyalty to Israel than you do to the U.S.
Greta Berlin wrote:
I call 'bullshit'.
Sterling
I call 'bullshit'.
look for the name : MOHAMMAD AL DORRA on google
he's a boy who was shot to death straight in the face in his fathers arms by israei soldiers.
YOU PEOPLE ARE REALLY BLIND OR YOU ACT LIKE IT
Al Dura (or Durah). Go here.
Watch in this order: Pallywood, The Birth of an Icon, then Icon of Hatred. Highly recommended.
My daughter's friend had this guy as her keyboarding teacher at Small. She says he definitely had "issues" and would go off on his political views quite frequently. She ignored him because, as a typical teenager, she thought he was "boring". Her mom was not too happy about it but didn't feel it was worth making a fuss.
The combination of a rambling, "the government's out to get me" letter with his suspicious death seems to definitely point to someone with deep personal problems. My sister-in-law always thinks the CIA is after her, too, but that's only when she's not taking her meds.
I hope the police take fingerprints off the duct tape from Riad.
I also hope the police get a copy of Greta Berlins fingerprints.
Greta Berlin and Anna Baltzer, do you consider your occupation of Native American land racist?
If you are against all occupation and are not Native Americans, leave the US otherwise YOU will be racist occupiers, oppressors of Native Americans.
Which country will you return to?
posted on:http://pupaganda.com/
"Is it possible Riad Hamad was targeted for suicide as well, sort of the same way prize-winning American investigative journalist Gary Webb committed suicide with multiple gunshots to the head? Webb investigated Nicaraguans linked to the CIA-backed Contras who had smuggled cocaine into the U.S. which was then distributed as crack cocaine into Los Angeles. Gary had to go, as he had yet another book on tap before he killed himself over a stolen motorcycle. Riad had to go too, as he was a thorn in the side of the neocons, the FBI, ICE, and the IRS.
Finally, it should be remembered that back in 2003, Israel declared its intention to embark “upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries,” according to United Press International. “The Israeli statements were confirmed by more than a half dozen U.S. foreign policy and intelligence officials in interviews with UPI. Israeli hit teams, which consist of units or squadrons of the Kidon, a sub-unit for Mossad’s highly secret Metsada department, would stage the operations, former Israeli intelligence sources said. Kidon is a Hebrew word meaning ‘bayonet,’ one former Israeli intelligence source said.”
Is it possible a neocon hit team or as likely a Mossad “bayonet” team took out the school teacher Riad Hamad?
Certainly, it makes more sense than the lame claim that Mr. Hamad wrapped himself up in duct tape and threw himself in Lady Bird Lake."
Riad Hamad continues to bless our lives.
Responses to Riad’s life enable us to see what we truly are.
Some of these posts are vindictive.
Some of these posts are humane.
Riad, you are a kind of litmus test of character.
What you faced in life, you face here. And you enable us to face ourselves.
And all who support Riad have faced the same opposition, and will continue to.
It is part of the struggle to support humanity in a humane manner, with actions, not slogans.
Yes, Riad helped people far and wide. When I met a family in a remote refugee camp in Syria, who had received aid for the two year old to get a heart operation in America…by chance they were going to Austin, Texas, so when they asked me if I “knew someone in America” who could be neighborly while mother and two-year old went for the operation, I got Riad in touch with them. What an incredible coincidence and blessing. He made sure the little boy and mom were loved by a whole cadre of new friends in Austin. And he continued to keep in touch with the family after they went home.
When I was in Jenin Refugee Camp after the Big Invasion, and during many smaller invasions, Riad arranged to send me a camera. Mostly, however, I was living life, not photographing it. But let me confirm what another writer has said.
I have seen a boy shot dead for the crime of standing in front of his home, unarmed, while the soldier yelled at the boy’s mentally handicapped father to “Rouh/go away,” as he saw his son lying shot on the ground. Is there a more pitiful sight than that man being turned away at that moment, and walking heartbroken down the incline of the street? Fuad Abu Ghali, rest in peace.
I have been in a primary school for girls, huddled in the back rooms with hundreds of little girls, age ten maximum, and their teachers, as Israeli tanks shot INTO the school.
I have visited the Ibrahimiyya School for girls where Riham Ward was writing on the blackboard when she was fatally hit by a huge shell, more than 12 inches long, from a tank parked outside the school. Why was a tank firing into a girls’ school classroom?
I have visited a number of students in hospital, shot by Israeli snipers on their way to school and university.
But, like Riad, I know this is only part of the story. I have Jewish and Israeli friends who work *against* the terror, and *for* the humans. I have seen Israeli soldiers put down their weapons and instead, shake hands with the kids who stopped throwing stones. I know that the soldiers are people first, and that many of them do not believe in what the military forces them to do. Remember the recent statistics for Israeli soldiers: more have died by their own hand, i.e., suicide, than have been killed. Read what the Refusers, those who refuse to serve in the Israeli military, say. They have been there. And they have changed direction, to go toward humanity, for the sake of their own selves as much as for others.
Look through the posts here and see where the hatred and fear-mongering are coming FROM. It is not from Riad’s friends. Thanks to all writers, for showing your colors. Look further, and you may find something even more true, even within yourself.
God bless you, Riad, for facing this, and for rising above it to provide some survival for innocent people, making the way for human progress.
Annie Higgins
I have more sympathy for the passengers and crew of the four commercial airliners hijacked on 9/11 and for the people who died in the two World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon than for Riad and his fellow travelers of hate.
EDDIE then please visit this link:
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
Bush's hand are tainted with 9 11 blood along like the blood of victims in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, etc... i wonder how he's going to face the God he claims to talk to one day
If anyones hands are covered with blood its the EVIL people like yourself that push the hoax of someone other than islamofascists committed the 9/11 SNEAK ATTACK on the US.
Don't forget the
- 1993 bombing of the WTC
- bombing of PanAm 103
- assassination of Robert F. Kennedy
- assassination of Anwar Sadat
- death threats against Salman Rushdie for writing a book of fiction
- death threats against the great Hirsi Ali
- the Finsbury Park mosque and their celebration of the "Magnificent 19" of 9/11
- Madrids 3/11
- Londons 7/7 transport attacks and last summers British Muslim doctors SUV airport attack
Here's a simple question for you...
If some of the Arabs who have been identified by the FBI for the 9/11 sneak attack are alive, why aren't they on Al-Jazeera TV for the world to see?
Independent.co.uk
Our reign of terror, by the Israeli army
In shocking testimonies that reveal abductions, beatings and torture, Israeli soldiers confess the horror they have visited on Hebron
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
Saturday, 19 April 2008
The dark-haired 22-year-old in black T-shirt, blue jeans and red Crocs is understandably hesitant as he sits at a picnic table in the incongruous setting of a beauty spot somewhere in Israel. We know his name and if we used it he would face a criminal investigation and a probable prison sentence for talking to us.
The birds are singing as he describes in detail some of what he did and saw others do as an enlisted soldier in Hebron. And they are certainly criminal: the incidents in which Palestinian vehicles are stopped for no good reason, the windows smashed and the occupants beaten up for talking back - for saying, for example, they are on the way to hospital; the theft of tobacco from a Palestinian shopkeeper who is then beaten "to a pulp" when he complains; the throwing of stun grenades through the windows of mosques as people prayed. And worse.
The young man left the army only at the end of last year, and his decision to speak is part of a concerted effort to expose the moral price paid by young Israeli conscripts in what is probably the most problematic posting there is in the occupied territories. Not least because Hebron is the only Palestinian city whose centre is directly controlled by the military, 24/7, to protect the notably hardline Jewish settlers there. He says firmly that he now regrets what repeatedly took place during his tour of duty.
EDDIE
BECAUSE THEY WERE KILLED BY YOUR GOVERMENT MORON, and you know what i just realised that i don't care what ignorant and mindless stupid people like you think, so i hope you stay blind and stupid all ur life until something happens to someone close to you (although i hope from my heart that you don't suffer one day from losing someone close unjustly because i think it really hurts, i hope it doesn't happen to you)
that's my last comment here cause i think that some people are sooooo ignorant that trying to reason with them would be a waste of time
From www.ifamericansknew.org
I first met Riad Hamad several years ago, and while I haven't known him well have been honored to call him a friend. Riad was a school teacher in Austin, Texas, originally from Lebanon who dedicated his life to helping Palestinian children.
Recently, the FBI, pushed by Zionist zealots, raided Riad's home, confiscated everything he had, and threatened his oldest daughter, who had been accepted into medical school.
A few days ago Riad was found dead, reportedly drowned. I don't know whether he was driven to suicide or whether he was murdered; an investigation is underway. All I know for sure is that he was targeted for elimination by Israeli agents, that the world has lost a heroically compassionate man, that Palestinian children have lost yet another of those trying desperately to provide them help and protection, and that evil has again, for now, triumphed.
The principal at the school where Riad taught told reporters, ""Mr. Hamad is a loved teacher on this campus... Our children gained and developed a sense of humor. Some of the things the kids talked about, it was just remarkable that they could mirror the sense of humor that this man had. They love him. He has been remarkable in setting high standards and sharing. He has been a very generous, generous man."
News reports said that counselors would be on hand to help students cope with losing Riad.
Einstein once said that all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
Too many good people are doing nothing.
And now Riad is dead.
I can’t begin to tell you how much I admired Riad and his passion for life and his willingness to be out there in the front on the battle for justice. His spirit, his sense of humor, his biting off life in large chunks and devouring it without chewing was an inspiration to those of us tackling such an enormous battle; justice for the Palestinians in the face of overwhelming Zionist pressure.
I am honored to have known him, to call him my friend. There is a large hole in the world with his leaving it. There is no better way to say goodbye to a man who should be looked up to and emmulated than with Horatio’s farewell to Hamlet.
Now cracks a noble heart. Good night sweet prince:
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!
- Hamlet (V.ii)
The West has murdered hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Arabs since 1953. We have assassinated leaders and overthrown governments, beginning with the righfully elected government of Iran. We have tortured and maimed Iraqi civilians in the past five years, and have been responsible for the deaths of close to a million Iraqi civilians. We underwrote the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1947-48 and encouraged the Jews of Europe to drive 700,000 Palestinians into the desert.
We support every medieval dictator in the Middle East as long as they pay lip service to us and to Israel. We bribe both Jordan and Egypt to keep their hands off Israel, a total of 2.9 billion a year.
In addition, we give Israel 3 billion dollars a year of our hard-earned money, along with another 3 billion a year in loans and military grants. Israel has never paid back a penny of this money, over a trillion dollars since 1952. Israel gets more money from American taxpayers than all of Africa.
We have underwritten the ethnic cleansing of the Christian and Muslim Palestinians on the West Bank and the genocide of the Palestinians of Gaza.
We trumpet to the heavens above that we believe in democracy, yet when the Palestinians elected Hamas in the most closely-watched election in the Middle East in 2006, our government decided we didn't want THAT kind of democracy, we would prefer the kind that Israel has... democracy for the Ashkenazi Jews, second class citizenship for everyone else.
Israel has the biggest drug problem in the Middle East. It has the highest incidence of domestic violence and the highest incidence of HIV/AIDS. Israel is the major hub for making and distributing EX. Any of these statistics you can look up on your own if you're interested. I'm not doing your homework for you.
Israel has 450,000 illegal settlers and over 200 illegal settlements on Palestinian land, stealing Palestinian resources and water. They thumb their nose at the more than 95 UN resolutions against it, because they know that big brother, the US, won't make them obey the law.
We Americans who fight for justice for the Palestinians can only do what we can in our lifetime, not in any other lifetime. The silly argument about Native Americans doesn't wash any more than any of the other arguments that try to sidetrack the real issue... Israel's wanton destruction of another people with our money.
So, for every American killed by a Muslim, you can multiply a 100,000 times the number we have killed. Shame on all of us.
sara, but your fellow conspiracy wackos say that some of the 9/11 Arabs are still alive.
Where are they sara?
Why aren't they on a Truth Revealing TV show on Al-Jazeera or the BBC or interviewed in The Independent or the Guardian, interviewed by your Robert Fisk, feted by George Galloway, given the key to the city by Ken Livingston?
Sadly you sara are RUNNING AWAY because you are afraid to answer the simple question as to WHERE ARE THE SUPPOSEDLY ALIVE 9/11 ARAB HIJACKERS?
Here is a link to the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists website.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
"Sarah Epstein", how many trillions of AFTER-TAX DOLLARS dollars do your OPEC oil sheiks demand from the entire world for over priced $100+ oil?
How many millions of Muslims died in the 8 year Iraq/Iraq War?
"Sarah Epstein" if you hate the West, relocate to an Arab/Muslim theocracy where you will be forced to wear a burqa, walk BEHIND a man, not be permitted to drive a car, be stoned to death if you are falsely accused of "dishonoring" your family.
"F" "F" PaleSWINE. :-)
My, my Eddie. What a foul mouth you have. What are you doing on this blog if you have such a filthy attitude. What you know about oil and the Arabs and the United States involvement in the Middle East would rattle around in a small thimble.
Let's get back to the issues, shall we? Let's get back to the issue that the Zionists ruined Riad's life. When the FBI and the IRS went after his beloved children, that's when he gave up. It's sort of what happened in Germany to the Jews. You do remember THAT history, now don't you little one.
If you can't get an adult to stop telling the truth, then go after his/her children or elderly parents. I've read the postings on here, and I waited until now to post, because Riad's friends are doing a supurb job of making many of you look like the racists that you are. So why did I bother? Because Israel will one day have to pay the piper, and that is not going to be good for Jews, Christians or Muslims.
We have to live in this area, and we love it. That doesn't mean we have to agree with a single thing that Israel does in our names. Many of us don't and are part of the ever-growing peace camp in Israel. Most of the people I know what a one-state solution for ALL of the people who live here. You, Eddy, with your small mind and equally small brain, will not be able to participate, because the hate that you have for the others who post the truth on this blog oozes out of every word.
"Sarah Epstein", you ask what I'm doing on this blog, I'm debating filthy islamofascist apologists like yourself.
Riad ruined his own life when he got mixed up with islamofascists and leftists.
If the FBI ruined his "plans", that what the FBI is supposed to do.
If Riad hated the US, what was he doing in the US? He should have taken his family and left. Wouldn't moving to an islamofascist entity would be more to his way of thinking?
"Sarah Epstein", do you agree with what al-qada, john mohammed, richard reid, sirhan sirhan, zawahiri, SNAKE yassin, rantissi did and do in your name?
Too bad for YOU that the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 Europe.
@Annie Higgins: Again, I call bullshit. I forever hear you Hamas sympathizers talking about how you've been shot at by Israelis, but to my recollection the one of you to get killed wound up that way because she was too dumb to get out of the way of a bulldozer.
And by the way, the Israeli incursions into "Palestinian" territory nearly always follow large terror or rocket attacks on Israel. Hamas and Hezbollah sympathizers can't have it both ways - you don't get to launch attacks from the West Bank or Gaza and then bitch and moan when the Israelis come back at you, guns blazing. Stop waging war on Israel and Israel will stop retaliating.
You're not convincing anybody with your lies.
Sterling AKHBAR!
what idiot eddie? can't u read english?or are u too blinded by spite to understand?I told u Riad had many Jewish friends,and the money he raised went to CHURCHES and mosques.What's with u man?
I just want to know if Greta Berlin ever actually figured out whether Wafa Sultan was on Al Jazeera or not.
And oh,Eddie boy,Riad,whom I knew personally,hated the guts of Arab terrorists as much as he hated any other form of violence and he was devastated at the loss of innocent lives in the twin towers.He hated al qaida and all other radical groups.Have a heart boy,don't take out all your hatred on an honourable dead hero.
Rita wrote:
@Rita: Now he's a hero? Son of a bitch terminally botches his own faked attempted murder, and that makes him a hero?
I can only imagine how impressed you'd be if he hadn't fucked it up. It's good to know that there's so little anti-Arab "hate crime" in the United States that terrorist sympathizers like Hamad have to fake it.
More to Eddie,Solomon,and others.Not all Muslims agree with or approve of Osama Bin Laden and his likes.We want to get rid of him as much as you do,because his version of Islam is not the true one .I am a Muslim woman living in the Middle East.I pray 5 times a day.I do not wear a veil,I go swimming in a 2 piece swim suit,I goto night clubs on weekends dancing and drinking.I DO NOT walk behind a man.I absolutely hate Bin Laden and George Bush alike,together with all the Arab Sheiks and Kings who work hard at promoting Bin Laden's version of Islam because it keeps their people suppressed and thus unable to claim their share of the millions of dollars of oil money that the ruling families use for their own pleasures.And thanks to the present American administration that helps these corrupt ruling families to suppress any progressive revolutions to overthrow them.Not all Muslims are terrorists,only those created by the U.S. like Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida.I love Riad Hamad .I am a Riad Hamadist forever.May his beliefs spread to all ignorant hearts and cleanse them with his purity.
Solomon,
Do you know who would have done this? people don't easily throw themselves in a lake; but Jews do kill Arabs. Was it the JDL or ADL? If you know anything about this please do tell. You seem to be connected to the people who were harrassing him before his death.
All this 'purity' talk makes me sad. There is no purity, not in this world.
Your claim that Bin Laden's Islam is not the true Islam would have been convincing to Americans before 9/11. Your problem at this stage is that lots of us took the time to do some Quran reading following that attack, and what we found - especially those of us familiar with the Christian Bible - was not pleasing. I would encourage you to read the Christian New Testament - you will find a book that does not encourage the murder and mutilation of non-believers, but encourages people to 'love thy neighbor' regardless of his beliefs.
Violence seems to be intrinsic to Islam, through the Quran. Your claim that murderers like Bin Laden have a skewed vision of Islam - given the content of the Quran - is not convincing.
#74 rita said...
"And oh,Eddie boy,Riad,whom I knew personally,hated the guts of Arab terrorists as much as he hated any other form of violence and he was devastated at the loss of innocent lives in the twin towers.He hated al qaida and all other radical groups.Have a heart boy,don't take out all your hatred on an honourable dead hero."
Really?
Here is a link to his website
http://blog.myslantedview.org/
Exactly where does the late Riad Hamad say he hates Arab terrorists, al qaida and all other radical groups?
I see posts by "Greta Berlin", "Mary Hughes Thompson" and "Karin" Pally.
A quick google search got this.
My Disrupted Talk at UCLA
by Daniel Pipes
Weblog
April 13, 2007
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/732
"One clarification: the Fox News video makes it appear that the woman screaming "Liar, Liar" (a fanatical anti-Israel, hard leftist named Greta Berlin ) was addressing me. In fact, she was yelling at Wafa Sultan, whose Feb. 21, 2006 appearance on Al-Jazeera has been viewed many millions of times on the internet. (The "LI" on Berlin's chest was complemented by the T-shirts worn by her partners, Karin Pally and Mary Hughes Thompson , who sported an "A" and an "R." Clever, no?)"
Hi Eddie
Your right in thinking that the problems seem to be caused by a bunch of crazy religious fundamentalist fanatics.
We all have them
But as with every war ever. there are those in the back who want the land, who want the cash, who want the power.
Question....
Do you think that the USA is morally excluded from that historical fact because of some divine right of God?
Do you think there is a difference between some one killing a bunch of people by blowing themselves up and someone dropping daisy cutters from 30000 feet?
taking the long view, We always look back at American genocides and say well that was then , we are not like that any more....
Will we not chant the same mantra in 20 years again.
If arab tanks were in Austin, would americans just wave placards?
Do you believe in some all powerful being that watches over the world?
If you answered yes give yourself 1 point
0 - me (everyones philosophical yardstick)
1 - normal
2 - slow
3 - stupid
4 - way stupid
5 - red neck
Love and Peace
T
Well now we know that Eddie firmly stands in the camp of the racist Islamophobes like Pipes and his bootstrap gang of pretty boy thugs. Yes, my dear boy, that is me on the tape telling Pipes he's a liar, because he is. As far as Wafa Sultan is concerned, she was never on Al Jazeera but on a very clever duplicate of the program.
If you bother GOOGLING Al Jazeera, you will note that it's AlJazeera.net. What Wafa, the quisling was on is AlJazeera.com, put out by that disgusting Joe McCarthy group called MEMRI, another organization founded and funded by the Zionists.
So I was delighted to call both Pipes and Sultan liars, and I'd do it again. One day, there will be another Edward R. Murrow who will point his/her finger at these fascists the way Murrow did with Joe McCarthy and call them liars. I hope it happens in my lifetime. We've started the ball rolling and it won't be long until Americans see what they have lost in both finances and lives protecting Israel. Unlike the Israelis and their military/settler army, we do it with words, not violence.
Until then, we will try to fill the void that Riad has left. Zionism, like McCarthism and all of the other racist philosophies will one day disappear, because people finally see through the lies, Eddie, it's just too bad that you can't.
Most of you apologists for Israel don't have a clue as to what goes on here, you're just blathering like silly geese. So let's get a couple of things straight, shall we? The first Palestinian suicide bombing came AFTER that illegal settler, Baruch Goldstein slaughtered 29 worshipers in the mosque at Hebron in April, 1994.
Palestinians are responding to Israeli terror, not the other way around, and they have that right as an occupied people. To date, over 5000 Palestinians have died since 2000, while 1100 Israelis have died, and that included over 400 soldiers. More than 850 Palestinian children have been murdered by snipers, almost all shot through the head or stomach. Compare that to 101 Israeli children. If you want the actual statistics, go to www.btselem,org or www.ifamericansknew.org.
There are a lot of us who are Jews who are outraged and disgusted with what Israel does. We either stay in Israel to make a difference or we work in the US/EU to change opinions. And it's working, something that the Zionists are terribly afraid will happen.
So what do Zionists do? They call us names, they threaten us, they kill us, they threaten our children. In short, they've become the Nazis of the 21st century. You would think that the victim of Nazi persecution would have learned not to persecute, wouldn't you? But Israel is like the battered child who grows up to become the battering husband. We had a chance to be something different. We blew it.
Published on Friday, April 18, 2008 by The Independent/UK
Tank Shell That Sprays Deadly Darts Killed Reuters Cameraman in Gaza, Say Doctors
By Donald Macintyre
GAZA - Bordered by lemon trees on one side and an olive grove on the other, the country lane leading to Joher Al Dik, where Fadel Shana was killed doing his job, was all but deserted yesterday afternoon. But two teenage boys from the Nusseirat refugee camp displayed half a dozen of the dull, black, inch-long darts which they said they had found among the cactus growing along the verge opposite where Mr Shana had parked his unarmoured SUV to film a tank on Wednesday afternoon. 0418 06
According to doctors who examined the body of the 23 -year-old Palestinian Reuters cameraman at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, it was controversial darts like those, flechettes, fired from an Israeli tank shell that explodes in the air, that caused his death. X-rays displayed to Reuters showed several of the flechettes embedded in the dead man’s chest and legs, and more were found in his flak jacket, clearly emblazoned, like his vehicle, with “TV” and “Press” signs.
The Israeli military was silent last night on whether it planned to launch the “swift, honest, and impartial investigation” into Mr Shana’s death, urged by David Shlesinger, the editor-in-chief of Reuters News, who said the medical evidence underlined the case for such an inquiry. Mr Shlesinger said: “The markings on Fadel Shana’s vehicle showed clearly and unambiguously that he was a professional journalist doing his duty. We and the military must work together urgently to understand why this tragedy took place and how similar incidents can be avoided in the future. This tragic incident shows the risks journalists take every day to report the news.”
The military would only say that all its weapons “are legal under international law”. Israel’s Supreme Court rejected a 2003 petition arguing that the use of flechettes as an anti-personnel weapon contravened a 1980 UN convention.
But the Israeli human rights group Btselem said last night that flechettes violated international law and demanded a criminal investigation.
Mr Shana’s friend and colleague Wissam Nassar, also 23, a photographer with the Maan news agency, said yesterday that, alerted to reports of civilian casualties in central Gaza, he and two colleagues had driven south in the armoured car of photographer Mohammed Abed, of Agence France Presse.
“We parked the car at the corner [of the lane] and saw people looking east. We saw Wafa Abu Mizyed [who was injured by shrapnel in the blast] and he was saying ‘Fadel died’.” Mr Nassar added that before they managed to get to Mr Shana’s car there was an explosion perhaps 30 metres away from what he presumed was another tank shell, which had landed ahead of them to the east of the car.
“We all lay down in the road,” he said. “I thought at first I had been injured. There was a lot of smoke.” Eventually they reached Mr Shana’s car and found his body beside his mangled tripod.
Riad had a wonderful sense of humor. Let's not forget that as everyone on this blog argues back and forth. The hate that has come from some of the Zionist here is appalling, and Riad would have been upset to have seen so much vitriol.
When they found his body, he had on his pink shirt.
Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
To Attorney General John Ashcroft
Ref: Harassment of my children, monitoring my friends and family, intrusion on my privacy and civil rights.
Mr. Attorney General John Ashcroft,
My neighbor came up to me few weeks ago and informed me that an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation called him again regarding some information about my activities and other personal matters. Mr. Frank R. specifically told me that the agent inquired about the kind of car that I drive since your agents cannot find any records of car ownership for me in Travis county or the state Texas.
I was surprised to hear that from him since not even my closest friends know that I do not own a car or any property, fixed or mobile in the state of Texas or the United States. It was my choice at the age of forty to give up all material things and devote my life to something meaningful besides racking up dollars in my bank account. For your information I do not own a car, a house, a yacht and my bank accounts have less than one hundred dollars in them.
Your agents should know the car that I drive since it has more than 20 bumper stickers in support of the people of Palestine, against the occupation of Palestine, against the war in Iraq and one that states " A village in Texas is missing its idiot," and I think he now lives on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C.
If you can not identify the car and for your convenience, I have written " I am an Arab, Ana Arabi" in large characters (In Arabic and English) on the rear window even a visually impaired person can see, unless they are blind in the mind and the heart like you and the rest of the administration that your represent.
I keep 300 dollars out of my paycheck, fifty percent of the rest goes to my two children for their college education and the other fifty percent goes to families and children that I sponsor in Palestine. Now, you know that piece. Anything else you want to know. Oh yes, I forgot, my personal attire.
I own five shirts. One light pink shirt that I have had for over three years. I use it often to show my feminine side because I know how much you and the rest of this administration hate gays. One dark pink shirt that I have had for over three years. One blue George W. dumb-ass look style shirt with a hole under the armpit. One puke green shirt ala Tom Ridge's face with a stained collar. A chicken-poop yellow shirt, ala Ashcroft's face to wear to work on sunny days. Also, I have six pairs of socks, all with holes in them so that it would not allow me to take off my shoes at doctor's offices or during romantic encounters. Imagine.
The socks go under two pair of shoes that share much with you in character and substance. They are both old and worn out and have no soles just like you have no soul.Five sets of underwear made in China since this administration "outsourced" so many jobs to China because the schools in the United States graduate only football players, baseball players, cheerleaders, dancers and cash register operators at McDonalad's and Randall's (A regional grocery store chain in the Southwest).
All undergarments have holes in them set to let gas out when I see on television the images of Bush, yourself, Ridge, Rumsfeld or any of the other geniuses that God has blessed this country with to take it down into moral and financial bankruptcy.
Other personal belongings include a large Palestinian flag, a large Iraqi flag, a small Palestinian flag to hang from left side back window of the car that I drive and do not own. A small Iraqi flag to hang from the right back window of the car that I drive and do not own. A membership card in the Law Library of the State of Texas. A membership card in the Public Library in Austin, Texas. A membership card in the University of Texas System libraries. Five pieces of paper indicating that I have completed the requirements for seven college degrees. A piece of paper indicating that I have completed a proficiency test in the Japanese language at a college level.
Finally,49,598 deception dollars to distribute to my friends, colleagues, passers by at events against the war in Iraq or in support of the people of Palestine and to expose your lies about who is to blame for the September 11th, 2001 events.
wow. when i said that this would open up a can of worms, i never guessed that outpouring of worminess would be so profuse (or so cliched)! the cia did it?
in any case, it is a shame that circumstances and the organization he dealt and a few yards of duct tape have forced me to make such sad conclusions about a man who probably thought his intentions were good. We all want peace we just define it differently.
With friends such as some people posting here, is it any wonder Israel is fast going down the toilet?
A shame, really. It seemed like such a good idea at the time, because of course we hadn't learned yet about zioprop: "A land without people for a people without land..." Except it was a lie. There were people living on that land, living there for thousands of years. Those people were told they must share part of their land, but were promised these new arrivals would be peaceful. Instead the zionists came with guns and knives and immediately set about slaughtering them, women, children, babies, the crippled and the very old. Almost a million who survived were forced from their homes and their villages and driven away. Under international law they have the right to return, but Israel violates every international law, and after 60 years these people are still refugees, while foreigners who aren't even semites are living in their former homes.
No wonder Israel is reviled around the world as a predator, worse than South Africa ever was. What Israel learned from Hitler, it seems, was how to ethnically cleanse a land of its people, after first dehumanizing them.
Thank God there are hundreds of thousands of Jews, in and out of Israel, who are outraged at what Israel does and are determined to undo some of the wrongs it has done. Israel as a Jewish state is a failed experiment and has already begun to slide into history.
Bless Riad. He concentrated on zionism's most helpless victims: innocent children. He had no patience for terrorists whether Israeli or Palestinian. He had an enormous loving heart and a pure soul, without an ounce of violence. I never heard him talk about race or religion or hurting anybody. Just about finding ways to help children who were hurt or hungry.
Riad didn't care what you thought or said about him. He knew there are always racists and haters and people threatened by the idea of peaceful coexistence. His priorities were very clear - to him and to all of us who love him: It was the children. He had no material possessions because he gave everything away. In my rather long life I never met anyone who measures up to Riad.
He was a true mensch. Bless you, Riad. I know God already does. We will miss you always, but you know we will continue your work, though we can never aspire to your greatness.
Marhaba, my friend. SHUKRAN for your work and support. Salamat
Sarah Epstein wrote:
The Israeli government labeled Goldstein a terrorist and tore down the shrine the Kahanists erected to him. Hamas & Fatah erect shrines to killers of children, and call them martyrs.
Are you so blind?
I met Riad through his organization that helped Palestinian orphanages, families and schools.
Other people I met online through peace work in LA Belfast, Nova Scotia, Rafah, Florida, Illinois;all knew Riad and loved him. His principal gave a beautiful testimony about him the other day. He was loved by her and the many children who took his classes. He loved them too.
In 2005 I knew he was coming to LA area for a conference and I invited him to stay with me in my home so he could save money on hotels. We spent 3 days together. His story about his clothes may well be true..nothing fancy. He was sweet,funny and had amazing energy to do his beloved work. He would give people who wanted to sell the Palestinan products to help the cause...take them and just send the money as you sell it. He left me with olive oil and delicious Palestinian honey. He trusted me and I trusted him. He was so funny and reading his words on thse various sites make me laugh and cry for his loss.He was very self deprecating. He was always respectful. I am so sad that he has left us in this terrible way. I see many of my friends writing who have been to Palestine and know how much good he did personally. I am finding it hard to understand the people who think because Riad helped Palestinians that made him a terrorist supporter. Do these people not recognize the humanity of a person if they are Palestinian? I see my own children and grandchildren in the faces of those suffering children Riad helped. I cannot separate their needs from my own family's goals and needs. We all want a good education and life for our children and we make it our life's work to provide for them even after they leave the so called nest. Riad did that for other people's children when their parents couldn't because of joblessness, poverty or premature death. His compassion superscedes anyone's notion that this loving man was someone who would aid terrorism. He aided families like mine or yours who live in a war zone, concentration camps, under brutal and heartless occupation.He loved his neighbor and the world was his neighborhood. Bless you Riad.
To Sterling, the shmuck:
Yeah, and every time the Israeli Military murders families on the beaches of Gaza, they apologize. And they say that Goldstein is a terrorist, but every right-wing lunatic in Israel applauds what he did that day.
Goldstein's grave is alive and well outside Hebron. What the Israelis SAY and what they DO are two different things (and you'll notice I do not include myself, for I'm not about to agree with these crazies, they do not speak for me). It is still a shrine to the right-wing settler movement, and it is still worshiped as such.
You putzes who blog on this zio-site who have never been to Israel, sit in your little rooms and type, and have no clue as to what Israel does in your name make me sick.
Go... visit Hebron some day. See what the illegal settlers do to the Palestinians, see what 300 crazy New York Jews do to subjugate the 140,000 Christian and Muslim citizens of Hebron. Go... see for yourself how they are armed to the teeth and strut up and down Shahada street encouraging their kids to throw huges stones at Palestinian children.
Go... then wonder what on earth has happened to Jews and our view of humanity.
So, a guy commits suicide by jumping in a lake to drown, but not before binding his legs and arms and putting tape over his eyes?
How does that work?
Do you first bind your arms, then put tape over your eyes?
Hmm?
Or do you put tape over your eyes, then bind your arms?
Anyone know the answer?
The local cops sure as hell don't.
Since someone mentioned Hebron, here's a little sample of what the Jewish squatters are doing:
German MP's cursed at and threatened by Jewish settlers in Hebron
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208422632282&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
And the world's most "moral" Army, the IDF, refused to step in and help you when your life was being threatened by Jewish thugs?
Welcome to Occupied Palestine.
At least you weren't shit on or had urine hurled at your face or concrete blocks dropped on your head, like the Jewish sqautters in Hebron have done to the indigenous Palestinians, as this story shows:
But the most striking thing is the steel mesh screens (see photo) that the Arabs have installed just above the heads of pedestrians to protect them from the garbage and excrement routinely dumped by the settlers from their second floor windows. The screens catch all sorts of disgusting stuff and lethal objects like cinder blocks, although liquid debris does make its way to the ground or on the heads of anyone below.
http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/display.cfm?rid=1579
It saddens me to read all the racist comments by people like EDDIE, SOLOMON, STERLING,etc.... can't u see that u people have been brain washed by news media like FOX NEWS(#1 zionist news) and other website links that you've been posting here.
If you have one molecule of humanity and care in ur heart you'd try t search more and find out why some arabs had to form radical groups that oppose Zionist Policies and more u'd search and find out that FUUCKIN' BIN LADIN was a FUCKIN CIA MEMBER LONG TIME AGO, he was trained by the US and Unfortunatly UR LUNATIC MR BUSH WHO CLAIMS THAT GOD ASKS IT OUT oF HIM TO KILL INNOCET PEOPLE IN HIS PERSUIT OF CLAIMED TERRORISM HE WAS THE ONE AFTER OSSAMA BIN LADEN's come out.
So if ur a man and u have the guts for the truth try some travelling like LEBANON, PALESTINE, IRAQ(if u dare) BUT I THINK UR CHICKEN ENOUGH U PREFER TO STAY AN IGNORANT AT HOME BIENG BRAIN WASHED.
I Just want to add that iam from Lebanon i have the guts to live here despite the daily dangers that face this coutry from ISRAEL,
I am a very liberal person I feel SAD WHEN I HEAR OF PEOPLE DYING AND SUFFERING EVERYWHERE; EVEN ISRAELI PEOPLE WHEN 9 11 HAPPENED I WAS RANTING FURIOUSLY AND SADLY OVER THE SAVAGES WHO DID IT.
AND I FEEL MORE SAD WHEN I SEE PEOPLE LIKE YOU TRYING TO SAVAGE INNOCENT MURDERED PEOPLE'S IMAGES WITHOUT A BIT OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE GUYS FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO KNEW RIAD AND LOVED HIM BECAUSE HE CARED FOR HUMANITY,HUMAN RIGHTS AND PEACE MORE THAN MOST OF US.
BY THE WAY I HATE EVERY ARAB RADICAL THAT HAS BEEN SET OUT BY YOUR GOVERNMENT TO SAVAGE INNOCENT PEOPLE'S IMAGE LIKE MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS AND BELIEVE ME IF YOU COME HERE AND TRY TO SEE FOR YOUSELF YOU'll BE ASHAMED AND SURPRISED.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND I ARE ALL TOYS IN THE HAND OF GOVERNMENTS AND RADICAL GROUPS . SO MY I THINK WE SHOULD TRY BIENG FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER INORDER TO WIN OVER THE MISLEADING NEWS WE HEAR AND SEE EVERYDAY IN OUR LIVES, THAT'S IF YOU REALLY CARE FOR HUMANITY, JUSTICE AND TRUTH.
Boy, the flood of rage, anti-Americanism and anti-Jew hatred that has come spewing forth with the death of this man is just amazing. I felt like this looking at a tape of Jeremiah Wright and finding out what is actually going on beneath the surface at black churches. Figures that there would also be a Truther in the bunch, complete with her evangelistic link efforts.
To the person who "despises" what America stands for so her dissent is "patriotic" (a ridiculous misuse of the word) - just which America deserves your support? The real one which has always had (and always will have) a policy of support for Israel and recognizes Hamas and Hizb'allah for the terrorist entities that they are or the fantasy one in your mind? Your thinking is akin to those pro-abortion "Catholics" who claim to be the "true" Catholics. Hello? Look for a place to be that is more in line with your obviously strongly held opinions. There are many places which hate America and Jews as much as you do. You and your fellow travelers represent a tiny minority in this country (thank God) and are delusional if you think our policies will change more to your liking. Live in reality.
The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11
A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)
Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)
"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)
[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)
>5 Dancing Israelis on 9/11
Greta Berlin, you say you are the Greta profiled on Daniel Pipes webpage.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/732
Did you see the quote of your ex-stepdaughter?
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/113530
"Submitted by Ava E. Berlin, Nov 9, 2007 at 20:39
Having read about the incident at UCLA I must admit that I was appalled by Ms. Berlin's behavior, but not at all surprised. I should know, she is after all my ex-stepmother...
After reading your article, I went on to research some of the links that your site provided and found it rather difficult to comprehend some of the titles that are now associated with Ms. Berlin's name. The title of "Peace Activist" is the one I find particularly hypocritical.
On numerous occasions I heard Greta launch the insults "the god damned Israelis, and those F****** Jews" at the dinner table in front of my father (a Jew) and the few Israeli friends and relatives who ventured to visit. Additionally, any rational debate attempted by anyone with an opposing view to Greta's, was immediately terminated with the responses: "Shut up" or "You don't know what the hell you're talking about." The rebuttal usually presented in screaming form.
These comments in juxtaposition to her role as "Peace Activist" I find hard to rectify. It prompts me to ask what should be an obvious question; "At what point did terms of hate and bigotry become synonymous with Peace?"
I was always under the strange impression that the road to peace laid in the arms of those who were tolerant, compassionate, and vehement in their will to understand and to promote understanding. God help us all if this is the role model that we hold up as an embodiment of those ideals!
Sincerely,
Ava E. Berlin"
Wafta Sultan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ
Exactly what is fake in this al-jazeera interview archived on MEMRI?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ
islamofascism is the greatest threat facing the world since the defeat of nazi Germany and imperial Japan.
islamofascism will meet the same fate as nazi Germany met, utter defeat.
Even Europe is waking up to the mortal threat posed by the islamofascists in their midst.
Take a look at posters displayed by islamofascists in London.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sullivan-county.com/images1/behead1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/main.htm&h=346&w=498&sz=54&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=6XkRXsicj9q-YM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlondonistan%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
http://www.sullivan-county.com/images1/islam10.jpg
London has suffered the 7/7 transport attack and th 2007 muslim doctor SUV attack. What's next?
Again, too bad for islamofascists and nazitional socialists like Greta Berlin, "Sarah Epstein", Mary Hughes Thompson that Israel is NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 Europe.
And did you see what my friend, Ms. Balfour posted after my step-daughter did? I'm sure you read them both.
My step-daughter was a disturbed teenager when she came to live with us. She got pregnant, I took her to have an abortion, because I was the only one sympathetic to her plight. Her father damned near killed her.Then she married the man who got her pregnant, divorced him, married another man who was an orthodox Jew, divorced him. I'd be really careful about believing anything that she says to anyone.
In addition, there were never any Israelis visiting our home, ever. Ava's father was apolitical and not interested at the time in anything that Israel was doing.
However, in the past seven years, I've had many Israelis visit my home and stay with me. They are all part of the anti-Israel-military-racist society, and their number is growing.
Finally, you are obviously getting desperate if you have to go through the mud and weeds of Daniel 'rants. I'll say it again. Wafa Sultan was NEVER on Aljazeera, If you bother to check it, you will find that it was Aljazeera.com that she was on, a nasty outbreak of Islamophobia put together by MEMRI.
Aljazeera.net is the real TV station. It's very hard to find that 'supposed interview' any more once the real Aljzaeera threatened to sue Pipes and his gang of fascist thugs.
If my poor deluded step-daughter wants to believe in this kind of garbage, she obviously wasn't very well raised by her mother now, was she?
When I read some of your postings, I am reminded of the 2004 Le Monde Headline after the reelection of W "How could 56 million people be so dumb?" God help this country and save this "democracy from such dumb fascists.
Well, well, Eddie. You really are ignorant. And you gave me a great opportunity to go check out that stupid woman, Wafa Sultan, and her 'supposed interview' on AlJazeera. It was taped in 2006, and many of us saw it over the next year and complained that it was a set up and a fake. The so-called interviewer didn't exist at Al Jazeera, and the website which was prominently displayed said Aljazeera.com. And the logo, which is slightly off, is on the right hand side instead of on the left hand side.
Apparently Daniel Pipes and his minions of Zionist high steppers got scared, because of all the complaints. And AlJazeera is not someone you want to piss off, because they have enough money to sue the socks off Pipes.
NOW, the interview no longer has the name underneath his photo (except in Arabic, which, according to my Arab friends, is a complete joke), the AlJazeera logo is still on the bottom right hand side, but is different, and the production clearly says it was done by MEMRI. Plus the website address which was once so prominent is gone. Why? Because it never existed to begin with. You want real Aljazeera news? Go to Aljazeera.net, and you'll find the English version.
Otherwise, you are pathetic and have made yourself the laughing stock of this blob... or, sorry... blob. Since most of us have known this 'joke' since it came out, you simply show yourself to the the ignorant putz I thought you were.
These kinds of personal attacks on those of us who stand up for the Palestinians are just what we expect. You do yourself no credit Eddie and Solomon and the rest of you by resorting to these kinds of attacks when you can't win the argument. It makes you repugnant. I'm surprised you haven't started throwing around anti-Semitic terms and all the other nasty terms you all use when you're losing the battle of words.
I suppose the next thing you'll do is try to maim us or kill us the way the illegal settlers do, or even the way Riad may have been killed. There have been profound and touching tributes to a man who was a giant, a man who cared more for the children of Palestine than he did for his own welfare. I go back through these postings and wish I had known him better.
I would have been proud to have been his friend.
You Zionists on this blog make me feel dirty. You are small people with small minds who are so afraid of the truth that you pick on others for their commitment to justice.
Some of the people posting here are in their 50s and 60s. They could stay home, put their feet up and drink beer. They've earned that right. Instead, they give their time and money to fight this huge injustice against the Palestinians.
Shame on you and the Israeli-firster bullies on this board who defame and mock. You are disgusting
Riad Elsolh Hamad Longtime peace activist, beloved father, partner, soul mate, and educator
Riad Elsolh Hamad died tragically on April 14, 2008. Riad was born on September 20, 1952 in Beirut, Lebanon, but called Austin home since 1970.
A lifelong scholar, Riad received the first of many degrees from the University of Texas, Austin. At the time of his death, he was pursuing a PhD in Educational Technology. Riad touched many lives as an educator and friend. He was a computer technology instructor at Clint Small Middle School. He was a selfless individual who focused on helping students realize their potential.
He was also a champion of human rights and worked tirelessly for peace and justice. He founded the Palestinian Children's Welfare Fund to aid Palestinian children, women, and families in need. Riad is survived by his loving partner, Diana; his daughter; his son; his brother; and other siblings and family across the world. He leaves behind countless friends who will miss him dearly and a legacy of love and peace.
In lieu of flowers, contributions can be made to the Palestinian Children's Welfare Fund (www. pcwf.org, or by mail at PCWF - Riad Hamad Memorial, 405 Vista Heights Road, El Cerrito, CA 94530).
Published in the Austin American-Statesman on 4/19/2008.
This whole affair really is beginning to sound like the whole "Your Black Muslim Bakery" scandal.
It's interesting to note that when I suggested that Hamad could have been killed by fellow activists, his fellow activists jumped in and insisted that it was a suicide.
However, when most readers (and the police) agreed that it could have been a suicide, Hamad's fellow activists returned to their original story, claiming that it could have been murder (and of course, trying to implicate everyone but themselves)
Remember the first rules of a whodunnit - suspect family first, then suspect friends and co-workers. From the orchestrated chorus of accusations coming from these 'activist' groups, the changes in story and the obvious plans made, (and including the long list of suspicious activities committed by these groups) I'd guess the police will find some interesting things. Like they found about "Your Black Muslim Bakery", and the Hezbollah cigarette smuggling ring in North Carolina.
Thanks for all the interesting comments, Greta et al. Hope to see you all on Fox news. And, of course, in the 'ripped from the headlines' version on Law and Order.
@Greg Bacon:
Aw, c'mon, How many times does that story have to be discredited? FWIW, I was in Jersey City on the afternoon of 9/11, after leaving Manhattan by ferry to Hoboken. I didn't see anyone who looked particularly joyful, and I had to walk over five miles through seven or eight neighborhoods to get home.
The New York Times never reported what you claim was reported about Israelis filming the spectacle before it began. That's simply a lie, and the link you provide as "proof" doesn't even make the claim.
My recollection is that the five men who were questioned regarding their enthusiasm were Israeli nationals employees of a Orthodox-Jewish-owned moving company (Moishe's) based in Jersey City. Yes, it's a creepy company but no, it's not tied in with international terror attacks. Many, many Arabs and Muslims were questioned for similar displays of enthusiasm, but apparently that doesn't stick in the minds of conspiracy theorists.
It was two planes hijacked by 19 Arabs. Get over it.
Can't wait to see the story on Law and Order. With his terrific sense of humor, Riad would be delighted to see what's crawled out from under the zionazi rocks. It's pretty exciting dontcha think? Wondering about those "interesting things" the Houston cops are going to come up with.
As for Riad, he wouldn't care what any of you said about him. He knew he was doing the right thing, and he knew he was loved.
Like Galahad: "His strength was as the strength of ten, because his heart was pure."
Wondering about those "interesting things" the Houston cops are going to come up with
What interesting things do you think they'd "come up with"?
hamad did not know how to swim so if it turns out being murder it had to of been somebody that knew him because people dont just get the idea "hey lets throw him in the lake"
"What interesting things do you think they'd "come up with"?"
No idea, Mary. You're the one who suggested it. Riad was an open book, which is why all the FBI and IRS ever did was threaten and try to intimidate him. They never charged him with anything, and you can bet they would have if there was any little thing they could come up with.
So you tell me what you think the police will find. We're all ears, and would love to be told the truth about how he ended up at the bottom of a lake, "bound and gagged."
Riad was an open book, which is why all the FBI and IRS ever did was threaten and try to intimidate him.
Well, that's a shame
They never charged him with anything, and you can bet they would have if there was any little thing they could come up with.
Why do you think the FBI appeared to be persecuting Riad? Do you have reasons not to trust them?
Responding to #81 Greta Berlin the tool of islamofascism.
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You said:
As far as Wafa Sultan is concerned, she was never on Al Jazeera but on a very clever duplicate of the program.
If you bother GOOGLING Al Jazeera, you will note that it's AlJazeera.net. What Wafa, the quisling was on is AlJazeera.com, put out by that disgusting Joe McCarthy group called MEMRI, another organization founded and funded by the Zionists.
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WRONG AGAIN "Greta".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6FC2C93D-55A9-4BC6-A67B-9D0F6B1E68BE.htm
As you can see "Greta", it's a link to aljazeera.NET.
Here is the text from the page hosted on aljazeera.NET, NOT aljazeera.COM.
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Al Jazeera apology for guest remark
Al Jazeera has apologised for "offensive" remarks made by a guest during a live debate about the reprinting of cartoons in Denmark said to insult Prophet Muhammad.
In a statement on Wednesday, Al Jazeera expressed its "deepest apologies" for comments made by Wafa Sultan, a Syrian-born US-based academic, which "offended Islam".
The comments were made during the Tuesday evening debate on the talk show "The Opposite Direction".
The statement did not say what offensive remarks had been made in the programme, which was moderated by Al Jazeera's Faisal al-Qassem.
Sultan has drawn strong criticism for her controversial views on how Islam needs to be reinterpreted to suit the modern world.
Protests have raged across the Muslim world since several Danish newspapers recently reprinted a drawing featuring the prophet.
The cartoon, first published in early 2006, caused days of protests worldwide, including in Afghanistan, where 11 people were killed.
Al Jazeera is based in the Gulf state of Qatar.
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"Greta" will you now ADMIT that the great critic and exposer of islamofascism Wafa Sultan WAS on Al Jazeera?
Link to the Wafa Sultan debate on Al Jazeera archived by MEMRI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ
Anyhow "Greta" thanks for your public identification as a LIAR and exposing yourself as a FOOL.
If there was such a program on AlJazeera.net, it would be archived. It's not. It's ONLY on MEMRI. We've had several people ask Al Jazeera (in Arabic) about that particular interview, and they don't have it. Isn't that just ducky!
You should know that, if we're going to believe ANYTHING that Zionists say, you need to archive the original interview with an URL, and not that horrible MEMRI site, a site of pure hateful Zionist propaganda.
So, Eddie, my little one, if you can send me an URL that identifies that Wafa Sultan was on Al Jazeera.net in 2006 with the interview, I will apologize. Otherwise, go play with your other fellow Zionists.
I am 13 years old. Mr. Hamad was my teacher, and we loved him. There are terrible things being said about him by some of you, and I think you're just awful. Shame on you. We're more adult than you are.
Mr. Hamad was a great teacher and a wonderful person who stood up for human rights. Many of us wrote beautiful things about him. I don't know what a Zionist is, and I don't care, but I do know that we will miss Mr. Hamad a lot.
Here is something that many of us believe about him
For Riad
"What is success?
To laugh often and much;
to win the respect of intelligent people
and the affection of children;
to earn the appreciation of honest critics
and endure the betrayal of false friends;
To appreciate beauty; to find the best in others;
to leave the world a bit better, whether
by a healthy child, a garden patch
or redeemed social condition;
To know even one life breathed easier
because you have lived;
This is to have succeeded."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Wait a minute, Eddie. Since you so helpfully posted a link to AlJazeera.net when you were yelling at Greta, I thought I'd check it out. It has nothing to do with the interview you've been discussing. Ms. Sultan's 'alleged' interview was in 2006.
The AlJazeerz apology for something she said about cartoons was much later, I think in March of this year, and had nothing to do with the original interview that you're talking about. So what was your point?
Either you have the original URL for this interview, or you don't. Since you so nicely put the URL for the apology here, you should certainly have the other one. If you don't, it's more probable that the interview is a fake as has been noted. I wouldn't put anything past you Zios.
Greta LIAR Berlin, you're not doing a good job for your puppet masters. They must be very cross with you.
In your post #81 you state:
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If you bother GOOGLING Al Jazeera, you will note that it's AlJazeera.net. What Wafa, the quisling was on is AlJazeera.com, put out by that disgusting Joe McCarthy group called MEMRI, another organization founded and funded by the Zionists.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6FC2C93D-55A9-4BC6-A67B-9D0F6B1E68BE.htm
The above apology clearly posted on AlJaeera.NET referring to the great Wafa Sultan debate with an islamo supremacist is NOT on Aljazeera.COM as you claim above.
Note that the apology on Aljazzera.NET
1) specifically states "Al Jazeera has apologised for "offensive" remarks made by a guest during a live debate"
2) specifically mentions "Wafa Sultan, a Syrian-born US-based academic"
3) specifically mentions "The comments were made during the Tuesday evening debate on the talk show "The Opposite Direction""
4) specifically mentions "moderated by Al Jazeera's Faisal al-Qassem"
Exactly what is the apology on Aljazeera.NET apologizing for?
Not only are you Greta exposed as a LIAR on this fine blog, you are exposed as a LIAR on your claim at the Daniel Pipes conference where you said Wafa Sultan was never on Aljazeera.
Or are you calling Aljazeera.NET a LIAR Greta too?
No I'm calling you a confused Zionist. As Anne so clearly pointed out, the apology has NOTHING to do with Wafa Sultan's alleged interview in 2006. I did not say that Wafa Sultan had NEVER been on AlJazeera, I said that the interview that Daniel Pipes and his ilk trumpet as being true... is not.
Until you can post an URL to the original Aljazeera.net interview done in 2006 with Wafa Sultan and not some apology about something completely different, it is you who is the shmuck.
We will wait until you get your facts straight. We will wait until you post the URL for the interview on UTube, an interview that not a single Arab source can fine on AlJazeera. Until you do that, I owe you nothing. You can scream all you want.
You have no problem finding an URL for March, 2008, now let's see if you can find the original interview? Be my guest.
Here's a search showing all four videos on MEMRI TV involving Wafa Sultan, including one from 2005 and one from 2006. Rational people can probably figure out for themselves if they are legitimate or not.
Post the URL Eddie, or else leave us alone. You're beginning to be tiresome. You obviously have no URL for the original interview, so shut up and give it a rest.
You're beginning to bore us. We have more important things to do, one of which is finding out who killed Riad Hamad
Greta, it must be tough for you to be outed as a LIAR by others and by yourself.
Again, referring to your post #81, first paragraph, I quote ( you can scroll back to verify )
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As far as Wafa Sultan is concerned, she was never on Al Jazeera but on a very clever duplicate of the program.
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And now in your post #112, first paragraph
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I did not say that Wafa Sultan had NEVER been on AlJazeera
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Please make up your "mind" Greta.
And YOU Greta LIAR Berlin call ME confused.
And what is aljazeera.NET apologizing for in reference to Wafa Sultan on "The Opposite Direction"???
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6FC2C93D-55A9-4BC6-A67B-9D0F6B1E68BE.htm
In reply to #114 Anne Hughes,
I quote from paragraph #1,
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You're beginning to be tiresome.
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What you are experiencing is Cognitive Dissonance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
"Cognitive dissonance is a psychological state that describes the uncomfortable feeling when a person begins to understand that something the person believes to be true is, in fact, not true."
I suggest a nap to help you sort things out.
They were apologizing for an interview she did about the cartoons that were reissued a few months ago. You think they're apologizing for some 'alleged' interview two years ago? You're nuts.
POST THE URL for the original interview. POST THE URL of don't bother any of us any more.
My comment about her never being on AlJazeera.net ws in reference to the original interview and not any other, putz.
POST THE URL. Eddy. You can't, because there isn't any so you writhe around like some headless snake. POST THE URL.
Greta, are you now willing to ADMIT that the great Wafa Sultan DID appear on Aljazeera, as referenced in the apology posted on Aljazeera.net
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6FC2C93D-55A9-4BC6-A67B-9D0F6B1E68BE.htm
COUNTER to your claims that she NEVER APPEARED on aljazeera?
#81
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As far as Wafa Sultan is concerned, she was never on Al Jazeera but on a very clever duplicate of the program.
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And how do you rationalize your charge that she appeared on Aljazeera.COM when the apology for the debate with Wafa Sultan appears on Aljazeera.NET?
I ask you again Greta.
Did Wafa Sultan ever appear on Al Jazeera TV?
Did Aljazeera.NET ever apologize for comments made during the Tuesday evening debate on the talk show "The Opposite Direction" by Wafa Sultan broadcast on Aljazeera TV?
Just approved #77 Karin Friedemann. Sorry, was marked as spam and I didn't see it.
check this link for the truth
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2008/04/63548.php
Arabs kill Arabs as we see in Iraq (suni .vs. shiite), Iran, Egypt, the internecine feud between hamas and fatah.
"Honor killings" within families.
Fatwas as the one on Salman Rushdie.
Look into CAIR.
They're a big mess.
We wait for the report from the Austin police and medical examiner.
Isn't whether Wafa Sultan appeared on Al Jazeera beside the point? You're arguing whether she appeared on the TV station as a means to ignore what she had to say, which is that Islam is backward.
Pointing out her lie that Dr. Sultan never appeared on Aljazeera is very simple.
Despite overwhelming evidence, Greta dodges, spins, backpedals, anything than admit she was and is WRONG.
A man has died and all idiots can talk about is television an fake polital parties. To hell with this ugly world.
Sad, sad, sad that some of you use this site to argue your political views...Riad Hamad was, if you knew him, a funny, interesting, passionate man who did much to improve the lives of those around him--his family, his students, his neighbors, and children in other parts of the world...He was a wonderful, inspiring man who expected each of us to always reach our potential, strive for the best, and to leave the world a better place. Shame on you who cut him down, and you did not even have the good fortune to know him. Mr. Hamad, RIP
I trust that the FBI had good reasons for investigating Riad Hamad.
Mary Hughes-Thompson - you still haven't answered my question - why do you think the FBI appeared to be persecuting Riad? Do you have reasons not to trust them?
Speaking of theories, here's what the website 'rogue government' has to say:
"Is it possible a neocon hit team or as likely a Mossad “bayonet” team took out the school teacher Riad Hamad?"
"Certainly, it makes more sense than the lame claim that Mr. Hamad wrapped himself up in duct tape and threw himself in Lady Bird Lake."
Mary - that's the whole point: The FBI had no reason to be hounding Riad. It's just another case of Arab-bashing that some people, driven by the Zionist Mafia, are so proficient at. Don't you think Riad would have been charged with something, if they could possibly find anything to use against him?
Riad was open and honest and completely dedicated to helping children. The problem as far as the FBI and you are concerned is that many of the children he helped were Palestinian, and that's a big no-no to zionists such as yourself.
Riad was operating a children's charity, and that's all. The FBI and the IRS kept digging and digging, and even with all their resources they couldn't come up with a single piece of dirt they could charge him with.
Riad was a loyal American, and what has been done to him to punish him for caring about helpless children and for speaking out against what is wrong with our country is an abomination. Just as what we have done to Dr Sami Al Arian and many others is an abomination.
The FBI and the IRS kept digging and digging, and even with all their resources they couldn't come up with a single piece of dirt they could charge him with.
Investigations take a lot of time. You know how it goes, you read that the police may or may not suspect someone of something, time goes by, the feds look like they're just futzing around, then there are a bunch of arrests. Like in the hundreds (or is it thousands now?) of cases involving 'charities' run by Islamist groups, these investigations require patience.
Don't worry that the cops aren't doing their jobs. Just try to make their jobs easier...
FYI Mr. Hamad was not only tied , the truth that no one is revealing is that he was gunshot!.
Am writting this from Beirut, Lebanon, I am his relative, his family back in the states called us and told us that Hamad had several gun shots in his body...is this what your civiliazed United States does? I thought you guys only murder in Iraq and Palestine!!!! Well after being around the western society for almost 7 years all what i can say about this society is that your goverment made you live in fear , made you think the whole world is against america, well the truth is America is the one inventing terror, the wars you go in, the people you kill, all the rape, suicide, murders within your society ... is this normal? if something happens in America you blame Black people or Arabs, if something happens outside America you blame terrorist and Muslims....
Dear Basma
am his wife's niece so please can u tell me who called you and what's you exact relation to him pls?
Though what ur saying is true he was killed; but its not his family in the US who informed us abt this i found out in the news today check this:
Link for the truth
Unfortunatly his wife and children didnt have the heart to look at the body but his friends did.
This is what I found on infowarsdotcom:Dremali described to Alex Jones the condition of Hamad’s body. It appeared as if he had been “attacked by an animal in the jungle,” Dremali said. Hamad was cut from the shoulder to the stomach; his arms were cut and his face was bruised and the rear of his skull was bashed in. Dremali said Hamad’s brain was missing. Alex speculated Hamad’s brain was missing because he may have been shot in the head.
I want to delete my comment because I don't think is appropriate. But I don't know how to do it. Does anybody know how?
#134 Satellite watching you:
Hmmm. Just like all the folks who bashed Israel in this thread or claimed that Wafa Sultan didn't appear on Al Jazeera. Right. Maybe MEMRI used the same studio as NASA did for the moon-landing forgery.Really amazing how the rumor mill pumped up the extent of his injuries. No conspiracy theory is too farfetched* for the moonbats.
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* If that's not a Yiddish word, it really ought to be.
I don't think Riad Hamad made the cut for 72 virgins paradise.
To Eddie and Sterling and others:
What if I said that it was a LUCKY DAY for America on Sept 11, 2001? What if I said SEPT 11, 2001 was a BLESSING from GOD for America? What if I said America NEEDED a MAJOR BLOODBATH to kick our asses and straigten us up?
What if I said that the ideal state for America would be permanent war, because people have to be controlled or they lose "moral tension", and idiots can only be controlled through patriotic mumbo jumbo, religion, or terror?
What if I said the ideal state of society was Global Fascism?
Well, I didn't say any of that, but I know who did, and he's not a Muslim.
As a matter of fact, while he happens to be Jewish, he's a leading "War on Terror" advocate, working directly for President Bush. He also apparently has access to the Pentagon, the Defense Policy Board.
(Although this creep's writings are online for anyone to read, I have to acknowledge Texan Rep. Ron Paul and his "Neo-Conned" speech for first exposing me to this man's words and ideas.)
He was previously investigated by the FBI for spying, for passing US government documents to a foreign nation, Israel, but the investigation was dropped and I think he finally got his security clearances back. He regularly appears on Fox News, and even on CNN, etc., as a "terrorism expert" (no shit! he is an expert!). He promotes a book pushing to attack Iran, while denying that he EVER wanted to attack Iraq, which is a complete lie, since he wrote "Code Alpha" on his website dated 9-11-2001. Cold Alpha praises Laurie Mylroie and Benador, and calls for an attack on Iraq.
This man is Michael Ledeen, and he's not alone. He's part of a network of Neo-Conservatives, Straussians, and Machiavellians. He wrote a book on Machiavelli (rule by any means necessary) and another on Universal Fascism. He's an "adjunct scholar" at AEI, he's closely linked to the Project for a New American Century, William Kristol, Richard "Prince of Darkness" Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Daniel Pipes, and the rest of that crowd, some of whom ALSO advocated the absolute imperative NEED that America experience another bloody event "like a new Pearl Harbor".
The global war for American "greatness" and hegemony was seen as absolutely imperative, therefore the "major catastrophic attack" that was needed to rally "apathetic" Americans was also absolutely necessary.
This is how utterly ruthless these fuckers are, this is how much they utterly hate America, hate democracy, hate decency, hate life, and hate the dipshit "useful idiots" who are stupid enough to fall for their patriotic say-anything blather.
And here's the funnier part: Not only does Fox not expose these guys and ask the obvious question "Shouldn't the FBI be investigating them, their connections, on at least suspicion of involvement with 9-11?", but neither does the CIA News Network and other "liberal" media, apparently seeing no need whatsoever to expose these bloodthirsty sickos at the helm of US policy.
Oh, but certainly they didn't orchestrate Sept 11, just because they ADVOCATED for it. That would be ... well ... wrong. (Straussians think that "morality" is for pussies and losers and chumps, but that goes for American cattle too. Why treat doltish drone with morality when you can be above morality?)
PS. At least TWO of the terrorist attacks you mentioned, the 1993 bombing, the murder of Sadat, and also several of the Embassy bombings, were done by FBI "informants", on FBI payroll, on FBI instructions, with an FBI credit card, FBI bombing materials, and with the help of a Mossad agent named Guzie Hadas.
Who was Emad Ali Salem? An Egyptian Intelligence agent who orchestrated the 1993 bombing, which HE was upset about because it was the FBI who insisted that LIVE explosives be used in that "sting". He made a tape to cover his ass. The courts said the FBI was a tad "overzealous".
Who was Ali Mohammed? A decorated US Army Sgt, honorable discharge with valor, who got to go AWOL and fight in Afghanistan and serve Osama Bin Laden while he was in the Army. His commander had "no control over his movements". He was OBL's right hand man, and Intell expert, and also Zawahiri's. He carried out terror attacks overseas (involved in the 93 bombing and Somalia too), in contact with the FBI and CIA the entire time. Although convicted, no record of his sentencing, and retired Naval Intell Patrick Briley said he was released on orders of Alberto Gonzales.
That's two. I could go on. WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY?
Gary, have osama bin laden or his lieutenant zawahiri DENIED that they were involved, inspired the 9/11 SNEAK ATTACK on the US?
Have either of these two or al qada DENOUNCED the 9/11 sneak attack?
Have any of the islamofascists identified by the FBI as being the perpetrators of the 9/11 sneak attack, that "troofers" claim are still alive, appeared on TV?
The war against islamofascism is a problem facing the entire world.
And yes, MORon Paul IS a moron.
Eddie,
I see YOU are a moron. Who gives a fuck about Osama bin Laden. CLUE: GO to Whitehouse.gov. Bush said "I DO NOT CARE ABOUT HIM." Check out where the former CIA director Krongard said we should "LET OSAMA STAY FREE".
Check out the Seymour Hersh video where AL-QAEDA WAS AIRLIFTED TO SAFETY FROM KUNDUZ TO PAKISTAN DURING THE AFGHANISTAN PHASE OF THE WAR ON TERROR, and driven out by truck convoy from Tora Bora.
If your own CIA and your own PRESIDENT recommends that Osama stay free, why do YOU care about him? You must be un-American and un-Patriotic. You must HATE AMERICA, you obviously DISAGREE with your leaders and you should probably be reported IMMEDIATELY TO HOMELAND SECURITY as a THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY and OUR FOREIGN POLICY. Bush should probably apply his Executive Orders and strip you of your citizenship, and lock you up for disagreeing with him. DAMMIT. LET IT GO! LET OSAMA STAY FREE!! FORGIVE BIN LADEN, like your LEADERS HAVE TOLD YOU TO DO. QUIT WHINING, you big baby. OBEY YOUR COMMANDERS.
Has the FBI or the CIA apologized for PAYING Sgt. Ali Mohamed despite him being a bodyguard for both Zawahiri and Osama Bin Laden?
NO.
Has any branch of government explained how Sgt. Ali Mohamed could enlist in the US Army after killing President Anwar Sadat while acting as a member of Muslim Brotherhood.
TALK ABOUT TINFOIL. the Israeli Intelligence forum DebkaFile that has the FOUR part story on this, entitled "What do American Presidents KNOW about Terrorists?"
Has any branch of government explained how Sgt. Ali Mohamed could go AWOL for a month to fight with Al-Qaeda, and yet return to service with no penalties? His own commander said he was LIKELY a CIA ASSET, since "no one had any control over his movements". Have they explained how a terrorist who was involved in killing Americans in Somalia, Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, the Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole bombing, as well as the 1993 attacks (while he was enlisted), could have not only enlisted the Army but made n-com officer and gotten an HONORABLE DISCHARGE WITH VALOR!!! and was VOUCHED for SECURITY CLEARANCES to work for US Defense Contractors? WHO THE FUCK LET THAT HAPPEN?
Has the FBI apologized for paying Emad Ali Salem for planning and arranging the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, for recruiting the bombers from a mosque, providing all the plans and targets, providing the bomb making materials and live explosives?
SIX 6 PEOPLE DIED, 1000 WERE INJURED, and it was an FBI INFORMANT who planned it all, and taught some retarded Arabs how to do it?? DO YOU NOT CARE WHO DID IT?
Ron Paul does NOT say Sept 11 was an inside job. He merely quoted high-level individuals who said that it was NECESSARY to TERRORIZE Americans into supporting their war, since we had so much "apathy" towards their policies.
Eddie: DO YOU AGREE or DISAGREE with Mr. Ledeen that Sept 11 was "LUCKY" and a BLESSING from GOD on this country, so he could do what he and his buddies wanted to do?
Eddie,
I didn't realize how EDDIE-OTIC your questions were.
Has the CIA-controlled Mass Media put any non-English-speaking non-dead accused Egyptian or Saudi terrorists on TV to prove that 9-11 was a complete hoax, thus discrediting the entire Corporate-Government Oligarchy that they are a part of, and revealing that they and their dark financial overlords are evil parasites?
No. As a matter of fact, when the victims of 9-11 went after the Saudi Royal Family directly -- not Emperor Bush but against the Saudis --- guess who blocked the inquiry. Right, Bush's family attorney for 40 years, James A. Baker III.
And if the media didn't tell you that (they printed a story on it, barely revealing the facts so you had to guess who was "the prestigious Houston-based Baker-Botts Law Firm" that was defending the Saudis), then they sure as hell aren't going to blow any other whistles.
That's why that's an Eddie-otic question.
Have any of the Al-Qaeda videos channeled through Intelcenter in Alexandria, Virginia near Langley featured Mr. Bin Laden or Zawahiri denouncing these attacks?
No. Instead, they tout "global warming" and other US political issues that have nothing to do with their agenda, while standing in front of a blue-screen, and they answer EMAIL questions from their fans (WTF?!!), by claiming that Iran is behind the 9-11 Truther hoaxes that blame Israel. It is THEY, not Israel, who deserves credit, even though only stupid putzes like Eric Hufschmid (who never heard of the CIA's involvement in killing tens and hundreds of thousands in Latin America and elsewhere, and who don't know that the CIA created Mossad in 1951 not the other way around) claim that Israel did it.
In other words, HA HA HA HA HA.
So ironically, not only everything Al-Qaeda DOES, but everything Al-Qaeda SAYS just happens to be perfect fodder for the Global War on Terror and Global Intelligence Networks and the Military-Industrial-Security Complex ----- while it just happens to terrible for ordinary Arabs of either Christian or Muslim or even Jewish persuasion (yes, like Iranian Jews and Iraqi Jews), as it adds license to plans spelled out by the likes of Brzezinski and Thomas P.M. Barnett of the Pentagon for Global Corporatism as "peace".
Then again, you're too fucking smart to actually go to the sources of US policy, the policy makers themselves, and read their books and listen to their actual evil plans, where they spell it all out (in glowing self-praise, of course). So where do YOU get your information on US foreign policy? Sound Bytes?
Gary, it's obvious you are a wacko conspiracy theorist. Are you a Black Helicopter, Illuminati, Mason, Mossad, 9/11 Truther too?
You know that most things happen due to chance, mistake, overlooking the significance of something.
The CIA and NSA have a pretty tarnished reputation for missing 9/11 plot.
Unless you as a wacko conspiracy theorist believe that the CIA/NSA WANTED the 9/11 sneak attack to happen.
Here is a link to a CBS 60 Minutes II story on al-qada and its methodology.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/26/60II/main312674.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
Some highlights to whet your appetite.
"the United States knew that Al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden's network, was infiltrating the United States."
"investigation turned up a terrorist training manual, written in Arabic, in the apartment of an Al-Qaeda member in England. It is called "Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants."
"Bin Laden himself seems to know the Al-Qaeda training manual chapter and verse. In a video recorded after September 11th, he brags about how Al Qaeda kept the hijack plans secret even from the men who would die in the attacks.
Eddie,
Fuck CBS.
Do you pay attention to Fox News?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYoBXK9j5AY
Britt Hume: Is the any reason to suspect that the Israeli govt was involved. (in 9-11)
Carl Cameron: No there is not, but there are growing instincts among an awful lot of law enforcement officials in a variety of agencies who SUSPECT THAT, and have begun compiling evidence at a highly classified investigation into PRECISELY that possibility.
Now, Eddie, if Fox News airs this, and Brit Hume asks (nearly) the same questions I'm asking, and Carl Cameron answers, "NO, but ..." and then says that "an AWFUL LOT of law enforcement personnel" "in a VARIETY of agencies" think there's a smoking gun there ... well ...
How does that make ME a whacko for saying the same thing Fox News said? (and never asked again)
Nothing more heard about it, it's off the radar, but Carl Cameron also reported govt officials saying that even bringing up Israeli involvement in 9-11 was "CAREER SUICIDE".
So are you saying Fox News is a bunch of America-hating commie pinko conspiracy theorists? Is Carl Cameron? Brit Hume? How about "an awful lot of law enforcement personnel", are they all whacko conspiracy theorists?
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"unless you are a whacko conspiracy theorist who believes the CIA/NSA wanted 9-11 to happen"
So tell me, Michael Ledeen is a private author, but he also works INSIDE the Pentagon and very close to the Defense Policy Board people (which are Pentagon) and Cheney and all of them.
Am I a whacko conspiracy theorist for telling you that Michael Ledeen wanted 9-11 to happen, WHEN he SAID he WANTED and NEEDED IT to HAPPEN????
On top of that, Ledeen is with AEI, the sister of Heritage Foundation. Heritage was the HOST of THREE lobby groups for Al-Qaeda, back in the 80's. Christian Coalition told Congress you BETTER darn well support the Al-Qaeda freedom fighters, or else you're unfit to serve.
Brzezinski bragged that he SECRETLY formed Al-Qaeda in 1979, and didn't tell the public that secret for 20 years. Everyone thinks it was a RESPONSE to the Soviet invasion, but HA HA, he did it before. Osama Bin Laden knew, cause HE was getting the weapons and training. Americans so stupid, don't bother telling them.
How does THAT make you feel that Osama bin Laden was on more of an inside track on US policy than you were or I was allowed to know?
How do you feel that they think we are so stupid and so non-essential that they can completely dupe us and keep secrets from us for 20 years?
ALL THESE PEOPLE were AL-QAEDA SUPPORTERS on the RECORD, but it's ME who has a PROBLEM?
How do you feel about Brzezinski telling a bunch of Al-Qaeda guys "God is on your Side" and America supports you?
How do you feel about Ronald Reagan dedicating a shuttle launch to Al-Qaeda? How do you feel about Reagan's Al-Qaeda Day, March 21? Did you remember to celebrate it?
What about that an organization that includes Rumsfeld and Cheney and Wolfowitz as it's signatories also said in 2000 that 9-11 was NECESSARY for them to proceed, and you can even read their words on their website today. They've not even removed it.
NONE of this is even a secret, except from Eddie-ots who don't bother looking. Like most people.
Do you have the foggiest idea how many hundreds of thousands of innocent people the CIA has killed or had one of their proxies kill them, innocent trade unionists, fathers, mothers, human rights workers, and the like? Thousands of families killed with Kissinger's consent in Argentina (many were Jews)? Do you know that they directly trained paramilitaries to torture and murder innocent people who were "troublemakers" for some company?
Do you honestly think they give a shit if a victim was born in the US or some other country?
Did you know that local and Fed literally firebombed an entire black neighborhood in Philly, to get a few troublemakers?
Everyone knows -- and it's now official from National Archives -- that Johnson and everyone around him KNEW that the North Vietnamese never attacked the Maddox, did that stop him from sending thousands of boys to get killed?
Nixon and them KNEW the War was hopeless, their own staff told them. Did that stop Nixon from sending Kissinger to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks, and did it stop him from sending 20,000 or 30,000 more men to die?
What's another 3000 dead in New York? A drop in the bucket. Who gives a shit? They don't.
Bush don't care so damn much he even ordered NO INVESTIGATION, that's how little he cares that 3000 people died. (There was no 9-11 Commission until "conspiracy theorists" -- the victims -- pressured him to do something.)
And the CIA said "LET OSAMA STAY FREE". But it's ME who's whacko? WHY DID CIA SAY THAT??
As George Carlin said, "They don't care about YOU. At all. At all. At all."
the nerve of you people! you just assume that when something is connected to muslims or middle easterns it is automaticaly terrorist! that charity helps children riad hamad was a wonderful man and i myself am a loyal christian but this is just too far!
After
- 1993 bombing of WTC
- 9/11
- Finsbury Park mosque celebration of "The Magnificent 19"
- Madrids 3/11
- Londons 7/7
- Pan Am 103
- bombings of two US embassies in Africa
- USS Cole
- Beslan school massacre
- death fatwa against Salman Rushdie and Hirsi Ali
- Mohammed cartoon riots
- Beltway sniper
- murder of Theo Van Gogh
- homicide bombings
- British muslim threats against Europe
- destruction of Buddahs of Bamyan Afghanistan
- failed bombing of plane by muslim convert richard reid
YES, too many things connected to muslims or middle easterns IS terrorism.
Riad Hamad was under investigation by the FBI for good reason.
Gary, please provide supporting evidence for your various claims.
George Carlin is GREAT.
[please provide supporting evidence]
NO. Fuck off. You look it up! I'm not your towel boy.
Or click my link on my name. I have a webpage. It needs to be edited for concision, but it will do for now.
I have the quotes and links to each fact, and these come from official sources and even right wing sources, as much as possible, sometimes with supplements from elsewhere.
re: 1993 - you keep citing the same old disproven shit
The Blind Sheik Rachman expressed anger over political problems in EGYPT with dictator Hosni Mubarak. He also blamed the US for supporting Mubarak. However, Rachman, though convicted of conspiracy did NOT formulate the PLAN to blow shit up. People assume he did, but the COURT does not.
In court cases, there are FACTS and JUDGMENTS.
In the 1993 bombing, the court did not deny, and in fact confirmed ALL these facts:
The bombing was planned and orchestrated by an Egyptian Intelligence Agent, Emad Ali Salem, who testified in the trial.
Emad Salem was obviously someone who had worked for Mubarak.
Another Egyptian asset was involved in the 1993 bombing, named Ali Mohamed. The court does not dispute this. Mohamed became a US Army officer, and remained deeply associated with Al-Qaeda, despite the fact that his first political act was murdering Anwar Sadat, and much more terrorism. Part of the story is on the State Dept website, but I also have it on mine.
Salem came up with the entire bombing plan, WHILE ON PAYROLL of the FBI. This fact is not the least disputed, neither by the prosecutor nor the judge.
Salem also recruited the bombers from the mosque and he trained them to do the bombing. They were so smart, one of them went back for the refund.
The FBI also supplied the "safe house" for plans and operations, and this is NOT disputed by the court.
The FBI also supplied the bomb components to Salem, and this is NOT disputed by the court.
The FBI also supplied the explosives, and this is NOT disputed by the court. As a matter of fact, the court does not dispute that the plan was to use dummy explosives, but it was the FBI that insisted on the live explosives that killed all the people.
They cannot dispute that, because Salem was upset and scared, and thus wore his wire while speaking to the FBI, and recorded them confirming that fact. Another female FBI agend also confirmed that.
Nor is it disputed that the truck rental was manned by the FBI, they knew it was going down.
The Judge, Michael Mukasey, even said it was a GOOD THING THAT THE FBI SUPPLIED THE BOMB, think about how worse it could have been if the terrorists supplied the bomb. Of course this is a non-sequitor statement that ignores the fact that the bombers themselves and the big conspiracy-plan only existed in the imaginations of the FBI, until they actively created the whole thing.
So the FACTS are clear, but the JUDGMENT is that the FBI was slightly overzealous in their sting operation, in which they orchestrated the entire thing from top to bottom.
All this was reported in the NY Times, the LA Times, and saved and debated on the Free Republic website. I'm sure you know Free Republic, one of the most rabid right wing sites.
Well, back in the Clinton era, a few Libertarians hung out there too, so it was not a pro-govt amen chorus. They could attack CLINTON. Libertarians are like traditional Republicans, so they oppose Big Govt, seriously. They had to be booted when Republican Big Govt came on the scene.
So that's ONE big case out the window.
What about the others? Think Al-Qaeda did the others, and only FBI did that one bombing?
You should also know that in the Madrid bombing, the incoming socialist govt said the outgoing right wing Bushie govt shredded all files related to the train bombing, but we KNOW that the bombers had phone numbers and other connections to POLICE.
Other weird anomalies with the London bombing, like confirmation from Israel that their visiting PM was warned in advance.
The EMBASSY bombings -- and Somalia Black Hawk Down -- and the USS Cole --- and Osama and Zawahiri -- and the Afghanistan Guerilla War --- were ALL linked to one Ali Mohamed. He's the guy who was a US Army officer and got an honorable discharge with Valor, despite going AWOL for a month to fight another war.
The Taliban who blew up the Buddhas got MASSIVE FUNDING from our govt, in the range of $6 billion.
I read at least one article that Pan Am 103 was gone over by INSURANCE COMPANIES who found that it was done as an operation to eliminate CIA agents aboard the plane, who were 'coming in from the cold', in other words, expendable assets. Something to do with switched luggage at the airport.
Kurt Nimmo suggested -- but obviously could not form a conclusion -- that the creation of ACPC an American council for Peace in Chechnya, which was made up of all the usual Neo-Cons plus CIA Director (World War 4 guy) plus Brzezinski who launched Al-Qaeda in the first place --- was a likely indication that the UNREST in Chechnya was instigated by the CIA.
This is not outlandish. The biography of Katherine Graham of the WaPo and many other sources describe the history of Cord Meyer of the CIA. The 1956 Hungarian uprising against the USSR was instigated by the CIA. That's only one case.
Richard Reid, you gotta be kidding me. He's obviously a retard. A homeless guy. Insiders from London said the Mosque in question was like a homeless shelter that was run by MI6 to observe the community.
Before any of this will make sense, you have a LOT of catching up to do on the known history of how the CIA operates, including the Church Committee Hearings, Operation Gladio in Europe, and many other things. Once you understand counter-insurgency, domestic population control, covert ops, and other criminal ruthlessness, the rest of it just makes sense.
More to be said, done for now.
"That's an internet theory and it's hopelessly implausible. Hopelessly implausible. So hopelessly implausible I don't see any point in talking about it."
—Noam Chomsky, at a FAIR event at New York's Town Hall, 22 January 2002, in response to a question from the audience about US government foreknowledge of 9/11. At that time, 9/11 investigators had already presented substantial documented evidence for: prior warnings, Air Force stand-down, anomalous insider trading connected to CIA, cover-up of the domestic anthrax attacks, inconsistencies in identities & timelines of "hijackers", US connections to al Qaeda in Balkans, a Pak ISI-al Qaeda funding connection, etc etc etc.
"Apparently, 'conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth."
— Gore Vidal, from "The Enemy Within", 27 Oct 2002
Actually, over 92% of Jews aren't Semites, they're Europeans or Japhethites, if we must be biblical. There are very few Jews who can actually trace their lineage back to Hebrews. It's all a myth. Israel is a European colony, sitting on stolen land and the murdering of its rightful owners is part of the genocidal process. Few over there care. But then again, we stole this land, murdered its inhabitants, dragged people over here in chains to work for free, and now we murder them, drug them, or incarcerate them. But then again, this US of A is an occupied territory too, same culprits, have been since day one.
Jewish is a mindset. It is a supremacist political movement disguised as a religion. It is NOT an ethnicity, it is NOT spirituality. It is more in line with the beliefs of the Klan than it is with any actual spirituality, which very few religions actually are. It is part of that belief that Jews hate Blacks as much as the Klan does. How do I know this? I grew up Jewish, but I've renounced such chauvinism.
But Riad didn't teach children to hate racists, although one wouldn't blame him if he did. Israel teaches its people to hate Arabs and Muslims, to loathe Blacks and consider them subhuman (Maimonides truly brought this manner of thinking to "light"), any people of color and non-Jews in general, and that's Judaism. Riad gave people a chance, he gave the racist Israelis a chance, but they didn't take it, they killed him instead. That is one dangerous belief system.
Noam Chomsky is a Zionist.
ZIONISTS utterly despise Chomsky for being anti-Zionist, they call him a self-hating Jew.
He was a Zionist in his youth, like many others, maybe even Einstein, then turned against it. Scathing criticism of Israel, but perhaps not too far.
So if Chomsky is a Zionist, he's so far to the Left, so critical of Zionism as it exists, that ordinary Zionists and Israelis hate him. He might be considered a Zionist by people who think Amira Hass is a shill for Likud, and that Uri Avnery is an apologist for the IDF. I agree, there are different degrees of anti-Zionism.
Also, I was raised not in the Jewish faith but in the Jewish culture of America (in past decades), and I know that there was some racist thought (but not overtly racist hate), I know some family members who don't like blacks, but I also know of Jews who got killed laying their own asses on the line for blacks.
As a matter of fact, the Vanguard (overt white supremacists) hates Jews because they believe that Liberal Jews are who helps Blacks have whatever freedoms they have, and that this is not a matter of human decency but a PLOT against the White European Race.
The point of the quote above is that Chomsky is a SHILL for regarding obvious and proveable factual truths as "irrelevant" and "conspiracy theories". Not Sabra and Shatilla, he's open about these things. But something as plain as legitimate facts about 9-11, some which have even leaked into the mainstream, Chomsky's autistic about that, even to the point that some of his own peers see the ridiculousness of his positions.
His anti-conspiracy reasoning -- esp. considering his political outlook on challenging the legitimacy of authority -- gets so obtuse that many people who once idolized him have turned to disregard or even dislike him. (Some of his older analysis of global capitalism and the will of business to have "insecure workers" still has some value.)
Gary, your mention of "Straussian" compels me to ask
are you an admirer of CONVICTED SWINDLER Lyndon Larouche?
amandlatoo, if you are really, sincerely against occupation, LEAVE THE US.
Pack up all your crap and vamoose.
Which country will you emigrate to?
Gary - are you a fan of Alex Jones?
He was interesting in the Linklater films.
In any case, police have noted that Riad Hamad failed to file several income tax returns from 2000 to 2006 and did not pay any taxes on earned income during those years. They can't trace the whereabouts of more than $500,000 he got for his charity.
In related news, the famously unindicted co-conspirators of CAIR are asking for an independent investigation into Hamad's death.
Many people are asking for an independent investigation into CAIR and its activities, associations, funding.
Having read many diffamations about Riad Hamad, this letter is just to tell another view. I have been in Palestine looking how the money of PCWF donations was used. I visited very poor and ill people, families with destroyed health and balance, people in the refugee camps that, as one can read in the article posted this week in http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/salamat-riad-hamad-federal-cause-unsealed/, "Riad never could reconcile himself to a world where so many people could know so much about the Palestinian children, and care less". I have visited many orphans houses where thousands children live without a father neither a mother. I saw the bills, the goods, the medicins, the toys, the books. I met the disabled people centers who lack any support of any state or either the UNWRA. I have lived in refugee camps in the "houses" of families who Riad tried to help, sending a children fo surgery to abroad, sending medicins or sponsoring with small periodic incomes. People whoe home have been destroyed unmisericordly by the systematic work of ethnic repression. Nobody who has not been there, can talk bad and invent of Riad management. But many will not go here to see, cos they have the eyes closed to the humanitarian disaster of millions, cos they know that as much as they could open and see, in the same degree that they would see victims they recognize twigs also must exist. It is their scare to find twigs between the people who has the power in some so called empire of the good, their scare to find twigs themselves, which prevents them to recognize victims.
Riad is with God, no matter if he was not able to put in perfect order everything, cos anybody who knows Palestine knows how difficult it is for the ones who work in this field, getting time from the rest, getting support from a world blind. Many of those who diffamate him and try to destroy him live or death will not be worth the same price he surely enjoys.
Nothing is more certain than that Riad is with God.
He had the biggest heart and the purest soul of any man I ever knew and his loss to the world is immeasurable. Riad saved thousands of children, and many others will probably die because he is no longer here to help them get food and medicine.
Those who persecuted Riad are coming up now with all kinds of accusations and innuendo against him. One can only wonder why after nearly three decades of hounding and harrassing him they never came up with a single thing with which to charge him.
Riad's friends -- Jews, Muslims, Christians -- loved him in life honor him in death.
We love you Riad. We miss you. We will continue your work for the children of Palestine. We will never forget you.
Salaamat.
If Mary Hughes-Thompson really cared about "palestinian" children,
- she would demand the end of racist, bigoted, islamofascist indoctrination of "palestinian" children in "palestinian" schools against Jews ("the sons of pigs and apes" curriculum)
- demand the end of brainwashing of "palestinian" children to crave martyrdom as "shaheeds"
- demand the end of "palestinian" Children's TV programmes that defame Jews, Christians
- march to expose the kassam rocket factories in "palestine"
- demand that "palestinian" gunmen stop using "palestinian" children as human shields
How about it Mary Hughes-Thompson?
P.S. Exactly where on Riad Hamads website did say he hated al qada, wahabbi fascism, islamofascism?
Eddie, once again you resort to zioprop in your zeal to defame Palestinians and Riad Hamad.
Israel is the one sending its sons and daughters out to murder innocents. Israel is the one using Palestinian children as human shields. Even though Israel has claimed Palestinians have used human shields, every claim has been disproven.
Rockets from Gaza began only after Israel waged daily brutal attacks against Palestinian women and children (under guise of assassinating "militants" which in itself is a violation of international law)
My Israel Jewish friends tell me they were taught in school to be afraid of "Arabs" because Arabs kill Jews.
Prominent Israeli Jews have called Palestinians cockroaches and pigs, so each side has used this kind of rhetoric.
The bottom line is that Israel is the oppressor, and Palestinians are the oppressed. The victims have the right to defend themselves and fight back, and that is what the Palestinians are trying to do. That they are still doing so, against overwhelming odds, is a credit to their spirit and sense of justice. Unlike Israelis, who fight from a distance with sophisticated weapons that protect their own skins, Palestinians are not cowards. They are courageous because they refuse to give up their struggle even at the sacrifice of their own lives.
So long as Israel refuses Palestinian offers of truce, I salute the Palestinians' commitment to defending the rights and lives of their people.
Like me, Riad didn't dislike Jews. Those who loved him included many Jews, and many will be in Austin Texas this weekend, as will I, to honor his memory at a memorial service. One of his friends is an 83 year old Jewish holocaust survivor who is traveling a great distance to be there.
Free Palestine!
Mary Hughes-Thompson, your shilling for islamofascist PaleSWINE is sick.
PaleSWINE brainwashes their own children into becoming Shaheeds for PaleSWINE. yassir arafat demanded others to sacrifice their children for "PaleSWINE" but arafats own daughter was exempt from such brainwashing.
Infact arafats wife Suha and daughter don't live in PaleSWINE, but they did live rich lives in France and I believe in Tunisia - NOT in PaleSWINE.
Why isn't paleSWINE good enough for Suha?
Here's the famous picture of an infant wearing a toy-bomb belt, military fatigues and an islamofascist bandana. You probably find it "cute".
http://israel-politics.tripod.com/baby-bomber.jpg
Here is the infamous video of a 3 year old Arab girl reciting her lesson on Jews. Sick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbJnZUJTYU
- Is the video a cartoon, an animation like the Simpsons?
- Is the video a puppet show? Where are the strings or the wooden lips?
- Where are the Jews dressed as Arabs with perfect paleSWINIAN accented speech?
Mary Hughes-Thompson, PLEASE help save the World by warning your friends that if the US or India (Hindu India .vs. Muslim Pakistan) or Israel suffer a nuke attack, then the "holy" city of Mecca and the Kabba WILL be vaporized in retaliation - for starters.
Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo has already stated his support for a retaliatory destruction of Mecca. CAIR demanded a retraction. Congressman Tancredo declined.
"F", "F", PaleSWINE and al qada
I wrote about Riad Hamad's death (and the activist propaganda) here at Pajamas Media.
Many thanks to Mary H. Thompson and her friends for providing such interesting quotes!
Funny how most of these people didn't even know Riad Hamad. Leave it be, because nobody's going to ever know for sure. Peace on earth; everybody should be treated equally not based on race, but on actions. And all you people hear is what is said in the media.
Yes, the ones who try to defame Riad are the ones who didn't know him. As one of those fortunate enough to have been his friend I am grateful for his life, and sad that he is no longer with us, no matter how he died.
Tomorrow I leave for Austin, Texas to attend a memorial service for this beautiful man who helped so many and never hurt anyone.
Rest in peace, Riad.
I hope the FBI and DHS will attend the memorial service.
Pointless to argue with a moonbat, so I'm posting this against my better judgment. Just couldn't help myself.
#165 Mary Hughes-Thompson
Yeah, right. Intimidation with frivolous lawsuits? Wire fraud, bank fraud -- nobody's ever hurt by that.Oh, yeah. NGO Monitor says his PCWF -- more than half a million dollars unaccounted for -- helped terrorists. As for not hurting anyone, tell that to the victims of the homicide bombers, snipers and those who launched the rockets he helped fund.
A really sweet, gentle, big-hearted guy. Never hurt a flea. (If you believe that, have I got a deal for you! If you act quickly, you can own Boston's beautiful, new Zakim Bridge.
Lenny Zakim, of blessed memory, was the real deal. An activist who really did help people, built bridges between different communities in this fractious city and never hurt anyone. Radical, terror-loving wack-jobs like Riad Hamad can't hold a candle to him.
Riad would love the irony. The Feds hounded him for years and never found a single thing with which to charge him. Our zionist-led Islamophobic government can't stand it when somebody helps Palestinian children. If Riad had ever broken any laws he would have been arrested years ago. The Feds couldn't dig up anything while he lived, so it's unlikely they'll be checking out his grave. You never can tell, though. Those zios never give up.
Oh yes, Riad helped so-called palestinian "children", the kind with beards and AK-47's.
BTW, why doesn't Saudi Arabia help so-called palestinian "children" with all the $120 per barrel of oil money they demand from the entire world?
Now Riad is a good islamofascist fifth columnist.
Gary, your mention of "Straussian" compels me to ask
are you an admirer of CONVICTED SWINDLER Lyndon Larouche?
#153 Eddie at: April 30, 2008 1:04 AM
NO. I didn't know LaRouche wrote about Strauss. A few decades ago Mae Brussel described LaRouche as 80% accurate, 20% pure poison. Totally ridiculous.
Jim Lobe and Shadia Drury covered Leo Strauss well. Have you never read what Leo Strauss was about?
Have you never read quotes by Michael Ledeen promoting Global Fascism and using patriotism and religion to control STUPID masses of people. Brilliant strategy.
That's what "moral clarity" was about. They DO NOT believe in morality or God, but they believe that "moral clarity" sells to the serfs better than "strategy" that Kissinger worked with.
People get all hyped about about good vs. evil and moral crusades --- so it's easier to play them for fools.
That's one aspect of the teaching of Leo Strauss, adopted by the Bush cabinet and their PR machine.
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Gary - are you a fan of Alex Jones?
He was interesting in the Linklater films.
NO, Mary, I'm NOT a fan of Alex Jones, although I first heard of some 9-11 discrepancies from him.
Alex Jones is just that --- Interesting and Entertaining.
Jones tosses out some useful facts, but overall, cartoonish explanations. He's a showboat and he serves up stuff for redneck, hick, and right wing Christian audiences. At very most, he sort of bridges a gap between 6th grade educated audience and deep politics.
Global geo-politics, weapons makers in Europe and the US, financial flows, new Military Doctrine preceding 9-11, BCCI and earlier Nugan-Hand Bank with ties to Al-Qaeda AND to Ollie North and the CIA, heavy historical collaboration with Al-Qaeda forces in Europe and the Middle East, plus nuclear chicken with China and Russia.
Heck, Seymour Hersh even lightly documents that now, in the New Yorker. The Redirection. Bush arming and funding Al-Qaeda forces. OF COURSE, because Al-Qaeda is our FRIEND. Just ask Bush. The enemy of our enemy, etc.
Of course Bush is not only funding and arming radical Sunni groups, he's also funding radical Shia groups in Iraq.
One article I like is by Israeli, Leon Hader, called "The Green Peril -- Creating the Islamic Fundamentalist Threat" published in 1993 by the prestigious CATO Institute, and the Jerusalem Post.
Another good one is "Israel's Sacred Terrorism", about the diary of former Israeli PM Moshe Sherrat.
I also liked "The Grand Chessboard", written for the Council on Foreign Relations by former National Security Advisor Zbignew Brzezinski (and he's still quite active with RAND Corporation and other groups).
Why not get it directly from the horse's mouth?
I think Alex Jones probably knows about this book, I don't know if he's read it, he has never encouraged his audience to read it.
Why get it second-hand from some "conspiracy researcher". Brzezinski was the man PERSONALLY responsible for the plan to begin funding what became Al-Qaeda, up to the point that Reagan made Al-Qaeda National Heroes with their own National Holiday, and the Christian Coalition started defending Al-Qaeda against critics.
The Grand Chessboard lays it all out in detail, what US foreign policy is all about. A lot of it is hopeful sounding and eupemistic, about the benign global dictatorship of the US, soft power, corporatism, but it's also about DESTABILIZING the Middle East, for the sake of conquest and power politics. A game of geopolitical CHESS.
Another great source is super-slick Pentagon Analyst and PR flack Thomas P.M. Barnett. He explains it too. War to expand Globalization, on a scale Karl Marx never dreamed about. The Pentagon pays him to go around the country teaching this message, about making the world into a giant Walmart sweatshop. He mentions Walmart often.
Again, why not get it directly from the horse's mouth?
Another is former World Bank Chief Economist Joseph Stiglitz, and his book "Globalization and it's Discontents", and Greg Palast's carryover on that.
However, overall, Michel Chossudovsky, economist at globalresearch.ca (and on YouTube) has the best and most thorough and complex explanation about what's going on, translating Pentagon-speak into plain English.
They use the words "war on terrorists", but that means anyone opposed to Washington-dominated and IMF-dominated globalization.
NOTE: The US argued in a recent court case that Petraeus and his troops are NOT fighting for the US military. They are fighting for a global Multi-national force. So every time someone says a soldier is "defending America" you can tell him that the United States Government disagrees. They're fighting for a World Army, for World Goals, which is multi-national corporate globalization.
I believe it's Executive Order 13268 from Liberty Gun Rights that explains that, but I could have that number wrong.
(As you can see, I'm all over the chart IF it's useful and factual information.)
I reversed the numbers
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13286
Liberty Gun Rights
READ IT.
Gary, now tell me about the Illuminati and the Black helicopters, the radio implanted in your head while you slept.
The Jews killed him. So typical. When will people wake up?
What is "typical" - Jews wrapping alleged tax cheats in duct tape and throwing them in lakes or mindless anti-Semites reflexively blaming Jews for every bad thing that happens in the world?
Give the guy the respect he deserves, hes done more then any of you could even imagine of doing. I hope I can achieve half of what he's done Inshallah!
Until one of you decides to get an "actual" education of the world and this man's impact on it, leave your pathetic comments and racial slurs to yourself.
From your white, Christian westerner with a brain.
Dear white, Christian westerner WITHOUT a brain,
Too bad your side lost WW2 and today the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 Europe.
Some of you on this list are racist thugs. You know NOTHING about Riad Hamad and are just spouting off as though you do. But the reality of your comments is that you sound and act like Nazis, or worse, you are equivalent to the KKK.
I thought we'd gotten rid of both of those nefarious organizations decades ago. Your nasty diatribes against a man who has done more for humankind than most of you will EVER do, is disgusting.
And you're anti-Semitic... or have you forgotten that Arabs are Semites also. You disgust me and anyone else who has gone to work for justice for the Palestinians.
Anne Hughes, I took at look at his blog "myslantedview".
Reading a bit I see that he was more interested in working to get the pressure off of islamofascists fighting the US, supporting al qada than supporting the US.
Please show us where Riad posted messages denouncing al qada, hamas, hezbullah?
Where Riad posted messages denouncing Saddam Hussein?
Where Riad posted messages denoucning current day slavery in Muslim Sudan?
I care as much about Riad Hamad as I would care about some ahole from the kkk, nazitional socialist, socialist, white supremecist, al qada.
Screw 'em ALL.
Maybe Riad got an invitation to go duck hunting with Dick Cheney.
Eddie,
What does EXECUTIVE ORDER 13286 and an Army attorney telling a plaintiff that General Patraeus and the troops under him are "legally distinct from the US military" have to do with black helicopters or purple helicopters or purple dinosaurs?
One is a legal statement of the US government.
The other is your own mindless drivel.
I guess maybe that's your own answer cause you cant wrap your mind around being betrayed by politicians. Oh! So shocking.
speaking of oddness, how about this?
George Bush's world tour with Rev. Moon and Pat Boone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqm9JLZ2Rz0
It's unrelated to Riad, but Moon says a special audience that Hitler and Stalin, from beyond the grave, proclaimed Moon "humanity's savior and messiah, returning lord, and true parent."
Yet his biggest supporters include the Bush family and most of the Christian Right.
How does that make you feel? I'm laughing.
(Where Riad posted messages denouncing Saddam Hussein?)
That's hilarious. Why would Riad denounce Saddam? Did he KNOW Saddam? Did he ever MEET Saddam, like Rumsfeld? Did he ever PRAISE Saddam like Baker and Bush? He has nothing to do with Saddam. Does every A-rab have to denounce Saddam?
Who installed Saddam in power? The CIA (while Bush was in CIA but lying about it) (and gave Saddam lists of people to kill) ("he's a S.O.B. but he's *our* S.O.B." said the Republicans)
Who installed Saddam AGAIN in 1991, after his people almost threw him out? George H.W. Bush
Who gave Saddam over 2 billion dollars for weapons and "agricultural aid"? George H.W. Bush
All that "Saddam is evil" shit was just about one Warlord Gang Leader taking out another Warlord Gang Leader, for taking too big a cut.
What does Abu Nidal, Ollie North (under Bush), Adnan Khashoggi, the Medellin Cartel, the CIA, and Al-Qaeda have in common? They all banked at the same criminal financial institution, an arms-dealing, terror-funding, narco-bank called BCCI.
Who sold millions of dollars in weapons to Iranian Mullahs and even GAVE THEM THE MONEY to buy them? George H.W. Bush and Casey of the CIA, Ollie North, and Israeli Military Intelligence.
People who are experts who don't even know BASIC history are pathetic.
(supporting al qada than supporting the US)
Bush just funnelled money to Fatah-al-Islam (Al-Qaeda related group) in Lebanon LAST YEAR in 2007! Seymour Hersh called it "The Redirection", totally documented from CIA sources before he ran it.
Forget about DENOUNCING Al-Qaeda. Why doesn't Bush quit ARMING them? How about the Airlift of Evil story, having Al-Qaeda flown to safety in US military planes. There's video footage of that on YouTube too, from TV news coverage.
Hell, two Fox News anchors said they WANT Al-Qaeda to attack America, live on TV. That we NEED to be attacked. John Gibson and Brian Kilmeade. Kilmeade argued FOR another attack for about 5 minutes. Why were they not arrested?
For that matter, why did this Bush install an Iranian presidency in Iraq? Malaki and the Hakim are Iranian, so is Badr Org. I thought Iran was EEEEVIL. LOL.
All because Riad fed children. I suppose letting kids starve is immoral, but Bush arming "Al-Qaeda" is moral.
The Jews killed him. So typical. When will people wake up?
#173 Buck at: May 15, 2008 8:18 PM
What is "typical" - Jews wrapping alleged tax cheats in duct tape and throwing them in lakes or mindless anti-Semites reflexively blaming Jews for every bad thing that happens in the world?
#174 Mary at: May 16, 2008 10:04 AM
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It's seriously unlikely that "the Jews" killed Riad Hamad, because most Jews were probably at home, watching Seinfeld reruns and eating dinner like most Americans, or maybe praying to God, like most Americans. (Including Muslims, who also pray to the same "One True God".)
However, it is VERY LIKELY that SOME Zionist Jews killed him, probably a team of about 4 plus some backup organizers, because he was an outspoken man, an embarrassment to the Occupation, because Zionists have killed peaceful Palestinian activists and organizers in the past, including Jews like Rachel Corrie murdered by bulldozer, and ESPECIALLY because Israel ANNOUNCED that they had or would have Intelligence Operatives on every continent and every major nation (except Antartica) to conduct covert operations as they saw fit, for their own goals.
This idea would be supported by books by Victor Ostrovsky and Ari Ben Menashe, two rogue former Israeli Intelligence agents who went public, in part for personal reasons, in large part due to a growing disdain for the immorality of the operations they played a role in, and saw around them.
I think that reflexively blaming "the Jews", and conversely, reflexively name-calling all criticisms of Jews and Israel "anti-semites", is a mental trap.
I wrote about Riad Hamad's death (and the activist propaganda) here at Pajamas Media.
Many thanks to Mary H. Thompson and her friends for providing such interesting quotes!
#163 Mary Madigan
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Mary Madigan,
Since you sound like a nice, sincere person, I have some more interesting quotes for you.
“…of course, we can always get lucky. Stunning events from outside can providentially awaken the enterprise from its growing torpor, and demonstrate the need for reversal, as the devastating Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 so effectively aroused the U.S. from its soothing dreams of permanent neutrality.”
(translation: an attack on America would be GREAT! And necessary.)
"Peace increases our peril by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, in depriving us of some of our best leaders.' Peace . . . is a dream . . . and would undermine the power of the state."
"Americans believe that peace is normal, but that's not true. Life isn't like that. Peace is abnormal"
"'Creative destruction' . . . both within our own society and abroad . . . (foreigners) seeing America undo traditional societies may fear us, for they do not wish to be UNDONE. . . . They must attack us in order to survive, just as we MUST DESTROY THEM to advance our historic mission." (globalization, world domination)
"Change -- above all violent change -- is the essence of human history"
“One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please.”
Some of these quotes sound like they could have been written or stated by Osama Bin Laden himself.
These quotes, including the quote that was HYPING a 9-11 ATTACK as LUCKY and as a BLESSING FROM GOD, a year before it happened, is also a staff writer at Pajamas Media. Michael Ledeen.
Ledeen was also cited as playing a supporting role in arming the Iranian Mullahs in the 1979, along with Bill Casey and George H.W. Bush, as part of the October Surprise Committee, designed to prevent a Democratic victory in 1980.
Why does Ledeen play footsie with violent Islamic radicals and why does he support war, violence, and fascism (he wrote a book praising global fascism too)? Why does he defend America while at the same time work to destroy America and undermine our Constitution, to say the least? Why is he the arch-foe of terrorism who got even more popular after 9-11, while at the same time HE WANTED 9-11? Isn't that a conflict of interest?
What connections to terrorists does Ledeen have (other than the routine Bush business and political connections to Saudis and to the Binladen organization, and routine CIA connections to violent Islamic radical groups)?
How about his "home" at American Enterprise Institute (adjunct scholar), sister org of the Heritage Foundation, with Heritage supporting three Al-Qaeda Lobby groups (Mujahideen) in the 1980s? You would think if Ledeen was AGAINST violent Islamic radicals he would not belong to an organization that represented violent Islamic radicals in Washington with three lobby groups.
It makes me wince when anybody says "the Jews" whether in praise or in condemnation. Of course it's no more racist to say "the Jews" than it is to refer to "the Americans" or "the British" or "the French" or "the Arabs" or indeed "the Palestinians."
When Zionists use such language against Palestinians it would be well for them to think how offensive they find it when somebody says "the Jews." (I find nothing racist about saying "the Zionists" because all zionists, including Christian or any other zionists, are racists and deserve condemnation)
People are just people. I know many many beautiful Palestinians, and just as many beautiful Israelis and other Jews. Unfortunately the kind of Jew who seems attracted to fora such as this tend to be the zionist kind, which can lead to confusion in the minds of some who might not be completely familiar with just what is going on in Israel and Palestine.
Since zionism has commenced its death throes, and it won't be long before there is a single state for all Jews and non-Jews living on the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, the zionist state will be history. Sadly it will probably be decades before Israel is forced to stop practicing apartheid against its non-Jewish population, but ultimately there will be a democratic state for Muslims, Jews, Christians and others who will be equal citizens with equal rights.
Inshallah.
HAPPY NAKBA Mary Hughes-Thompson!
AND MANY, MANY MORE!
Mary Hughes-Thompson,
I forgot to add HAPPY NAKBA Greta LIAR Berlin!
Please pass on my worst wishes to her and her fellow islamofascists.
I suppose I could say Happy Holocaust, Eddie, and many many more!
But then I'd be no better than you are.
Have Eddie and others stopped trying to refute the information I present?
http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=873
Al Qaeda and the "War on Terrorism" (part one)
http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2064
Talk to Hamas
Hamas offered Israel long-term truce. Any Muslim who says differently is a liar: Islam positively forbids non-Islamic state in this land, and Muslims may recognize the conquerors only temporarily. Hamas, therefore, offers as much as it can under the Islamic law. Hamas is an honest and, in its own way, decent Islamic organization unlike the Fatah thugs.
Hamas refrained from attacking Israel for long time. The attacks attributed to Hamas are actually perpetrated by Izz ad Din Kassam Brigades loosely connected to Hamas. There is no way Hamas can give an order to Kassam Brigades to stop shelling Israel. Their relations are cooperative rather than hierarchical. The militants have no part in the diplomatic process and naturally resist to be left out of the game; so they enter the game with rockets. The cycle of violence around Gaza is self-perpetuating: minor violence from Gaza, sanctions and reprisals from Israel, more attacks, more sanctions – until it’s hard for everyone to stop.
Israel has no alternative to negotiating with Hamas. Fatah is a bubble. It always was a bubble, a one-man’s operation. Hamas can easily replace assassinated leaders, but Fatah cannot. Short of Abbas, Barghouti, and a handful others Fatah has no popular figures. Palestinians support Hamas as an organization, but Abbas – as an individual leader. Fatah amply demonstrated that it cannot enforce security in the West Bank even with Israel’s help.
For some odd reason Israel punishes Gaza (where Hamas tries to end the attacks), but rewards the West Bank (where Fatah payrolls the terrorists).
a lot more inside info in this article
Mary Hughes-Thompson said in #187,
"Happy Holocaust, Eddie"
THANK YOU Mary Hughes-Thompson!!! THAT's a keeper!!!
Your celebration of the Holocaust, that you otherwise claim never happened, or was a minor event, is a regular fixture among you and your fellow nazi swine.
Remember Mary Hughes-Thompson, you were defeated, you surrendered unconditionally on May 7, 1945 to the US, UK and Soviet Union.
The BIG difference this time Mary Hughes-Thompson is that the Israelis are NOT unarmed as the Jews were in WW2.
Note that your "heroic" paleSWINIANS IslamoFASCISTS, who made the Arabic translation of your furhers "mein kampf" a best seller, who celebrate hitler, who bless hitler, have revealed themselves for all to see.
HAPPY NAKBA Mary Hughes-Thompson!
May YOU ALWAYS KNOW the NAKBA of defeat, failure and unconditional surrender!
Gary, did 19 Arabs, 15 of whom were Saudis, did they hijack 4 planes on 9/11 and after telling the passengers that they were going to be OK as long as they didn't interfere with the hijackers.
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
Did these Arabs then fly 3 of those planes into the 2 World Trade Centers and the other into the Pentagon and the fourth plane into the ground in Shanksville PA?
Or do you believe one of more of the following?
- No planes flew into the WTC?
- The planes were remote controlled?
- The planes had no windows?
- The planes had missles on them?
- The WTC was destroyed by controlled demolition?
- The CIA flew the planes?
- The Mossad flew the planes?
- The Arabs identified as being the 9/11 hijackers, some of them are STILL ALIVE?
Please tell us.
Actually, Eddie, my country has never surrendered. Ever. And I'm not talking about the U.S.
When I read words that come out of the mouths of terribly sick people such as yourself, I can only wonder that sixty years after the death of Hitler and his regime, his evil lives on today in you and your kind.
I will pray for your soul, though I'm not sure there is redemption for people like you and Ben Gurion and Hitler.
Mary Hughes-Thompson, which is your country that has never surrendered?
I will not pray for your soul Mary Hughes-Thompson, because you already sold your soul to the devil.
If it was an Arab then he has committed suicide and if was a Jew or an American then he was murdered , because Murder is the prerogative of the Muslims only and ne Jew or Christian can ever Murder , as they are soo HOLIER THAN THOU , whatever happened during the World Wars was not committed by the Christians , Americans , Germans or Europeans but just an act of God and what the Isrealis are doing in the Occupied Territories is just dictated down in the Bible including occupying Palestine , kiiling children and demolishing houses stopping Water supply , electric current and Diesel and Petrol . What the Muslims do is purely criminal and what the JEws and Christians do is purely an act of Good or just prophesised in the Bible , what blind hatred these Jews and Christians have which is generated from the filth in the Bible and other scriptures , remember Bush reminding the Israeli Knesset just the other day that the jews have the right to Live in Israel which stretches from the Euphrates in Iraq to the River Nile in Egypt is'nt this Zionist fanaticism , if this is not then what is , because the Zionist are just trying to pursue their goal of a Greater Israel and invading Iraq is just another part of it the first being the creation of illegal Israel itself .
Only 9% of Americans support the Palestinian cause.
Why is that? Well, the fact that supporters of the Palestinian cause sound like (and often are) jackbooted thugs from Stormfront could explain it.
#193 Tanvir Ahmen Khan, you said:
"Bush reminding the Israeli Knesset just the other day that the jews have the right to Live in Israel which stretches from the Euphrates in Iraq to the River Nile in Egypt"
President Bush NEVER said that Israel stretches to the Euphrates.
Please tell us where you read or heard that.
Don't be surprised when you learn that he never said that. It's just one of the lies you have been told.
In reply to the comment 26. It is absolutely unworth to be published, full of diffamation, non proved accusations and breathes hate for islam, and for everything which is out of the coordinates.
Writer of comment #26, I am friend of Riad. Riad is not the one described by your words. You are a lier. Riad is a hero of the solidarity with the needed people. Riad has saved lifes of the most defenceless people in Palestine. It is the racists and the fascists the true and most dangerous terrorists. All what Riad tried to do was to help to the victims.
We know what is the importance for the racists and the new colonialists who occupate middle east lands to deny the assistance to the victims and accusate of terrorism to every one who tries to save poorest and needed children and families: they are afraid that the day arrive that these crimes will be discovered and the criminals go to trial.
for I think that there is nothing to tell to people who expresses its own quality by the
One less terrorist supporter and apologist in the world. I wish I could say "Rest in Peace," but Hamad was a Muslim. He's probably having a wild time having sex with 72 raisins and young boys with skin like pearls, drinking wine, and drooling over the breast, thighs, and legs of the raisins.
#26 Indga at: April 18, 2008 3:52 PM
jaime, I see nothing in riads blog where he says he supports the US, denouces al qada, denounces osama bin laden. NOTHING.
riad was working to support islamofascism that threatens the entire world.
By the way, if the US or India (which almost had a nuclear war with Pakistan over land) or Israel suffer a nuke attack, expect Mecca and the Kabba to be totally destroyed, in retaliation.
The 19 Al-Qaeda Arabs is one conspiracy theory, the official one. Proof of that is minimal, but possible.
REGARDLESS if true or not, Al-Qaeda is proven to be a proxy guerilla force of the US military. Who proved that? The US Senate Republican Policy Committee, citing US collaboration w Al-Qaeda from early 1990's thru 1999, coupled with Macedonian reports of collaboration in the summer of 2001. Read Osamagate.
Later, Seymour Hersh reporting on "The Redirection", Bush-approved CIA covert support for Al-Qaeda related groups such as Fatah-al-Islam in Lebanon, and earlier reports such as Airlift of Evil, where Al-Qaeda was evacuated from Tora Bora and Kunduz during the war.
Or do you believe one of more of the following?
- No planes flew into the WTC? -- No. Lotta people saw planes.
- The planes were remote controlled? -- Easily possible, drones shown in a 1946 US gov documentary on the Atomic Bomb, and by 1984 NASA was flying warplanes by remote control. Remote controlled would be much more practical and RELIABLE than "party-animal" suiciders, to accomplish what Neo-cons previously said was necessary for US policy. What if the "Islamic" hijackers were too hungover or too coked out to hijack the planes? What if they wanted to stay alive to screw some more whores on the CIA's dime? All of written US policy plans for war in the Middle East would go down the tubes. Richard Perle and Michael Ledeen and Wolfowitz, Feith, and Rumsfeld would have had to come up with a new plan, or scrap their plans for a New American Century.
- The planes had no windows? -- No.
- The planes had missles on them? -- No.
- The WTC was destroyed by controlled demolition? -- Probably. Don't ask me. I'm not an engineer. Ask 300 Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, and even some NIST officials. Absence of CD is implausible (but that is harder to prove and DOES NOT MATTER!)
- The CIA flew the planes? -- No, unless by remote control.
- The Mossad flew the planes? -- No, unless by remote control.
CIA and Mossad have partnered on MANY covert operations, mostly Latin Am death squads. The 1993 WTC bombing involved collaboration btw FBI, a Mossad agent named Guzie Hadas, and an Egyptian Intelligence agent. ALL of this is public information, was revealed in court, published in major newspapers. I can't help it if Americans are too lazy and stupid to read. The website Free Republic has archives of the original NY Times and LA Times articles, which I've linked on my website. The FBI was caught by taped admissions, recorded by Emad Ali Salem, the provocateur.
Read FBI and the Mad Bombers by World Net Daily, a conservative Christian site.
We also have public news reports of the alleged devout Muslim hijackers
a) snorting coke, hanging out with coke traffickers from an obvious CIA flight school
b) being introduced at lunch at Pensacola and Maxwell Air Force bases
c) drinking in strip clubs, identified by 6 stippers, saying "Fuck Allah", bragging about being pilots, leaving a Koran at strip club
d) partying on SunCruz gambling ship owned by Republican friends of Jack Abramoff who helped them commit financial fraud to obtain the ship
- The Arabs identified as being the 9/11 hijackers, some of them are STILL ALIVE? -- Some of the people named in the original report did come forth, according to British mainstream media. The FBI says it was early errors, and/or stolen passports. That is ridiculed but NOT denied. It was just a glitch, said FBI.
By the way, I denounce both Al-Qaeda AND their American supporters, including Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, Christian Coalition, WACL, Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Oliver North, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and their many other lesser known supporters.
I cannot comprehend why Riad Hamad should have been responsible for denouncing Al-Qaeda if he's not related to them in any way and if he --- UNLIKE members of the US establishment --- never funded, armed, and trained Al-Qaeda.
Riad also did not denounce Charlie Manson, Saddam Hussein, Son-of-Sam, Ted Bundy, or Joseph Stalin. So what?
Know what else I denounce?
I denounce Bush giving Saudi Arabia $30 billion worth of weapons paid for by US taxpayers.
I also denounce Bush *offering* -- if not giving -- the Saudi government "friendly" nuclear technology.
With, as YOU say, most of the Hijackers having Saudi passports (pushed forward by CIA over objections, according to consular employee Michael Springman), why would Bush be essentially GIVING nuclear weapons to Al-Qaeda, or at least making it very easy for Al-Qaeda to get the ingredients?
Good thing he botched it or we'd be hearing about the surge in anti islamic violence.
Only sad thing is he didn't duct tape the 3 harpies defending him here.
Good riddance...
#200 Gary:
Don't you love how our close ally and strategic partner cooperated with us after the Khobar Towers bombing. They refused to delay executing the terrorists long enough for US interrogators to talk with them.No surprise that the Saudi government is a bunch of untrustworthy dirtballs. But friends of Al Qaeda? Not so much.
The House1 of Saud is a big exporter of cultural Jihad and advocate of creeping sharia, but friends of Al Qaeda they are not. They're so eager to export Wahabi Islam in order to appease the Wahabis in their midst. In 1978 or '79, the Wahabis took over the Qubba (or whatever it is they call that black box the Hajjis march around) in Mecca to protest the decadent living of the royals -- drinking, immodest attire, makeup and so on, maybe even (gasp!) mixed dancing. The king asked for help from his French pals who sent in the Foreign Legion. The royal family and their army and police were ill-equipped and unprepared to do a little ass-kicking themselves. The fallout from the event is that the Saudi government, which is to say the royals, runs a tight ship with regard to Wahabi understanding of sharia and they promote soft Jihad, sending lots of money to build big, triumphal mosques all over Europe, Canada and the US and supplying imams trained in Medina to staff them.
All that said, they're scared witless by Al Qaeda, who would love to overthrow them. I read somewhere that they've booby trapped their oil pipelines and other oil infrastructure so that if they're knocked over by dissidents -- whether Al Qaeda or democratic reformers -- the new regime will have a Pyrrhic victory. If true, it would take a long time to restart oil production and exports.
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1. Their "house" was a bunch of goat-skin tents some 95 years ago, before the Brits installed them as a monarchy ruling over the newly minted country of Saudi Arabia This was in the aftermath of The Great War, when the Brits kept a pledge T.E. Lawrence of Arabia made to them to secure their tribe's help defeating the Turks.
According to Little Green Footballs,
our good "friend", Greta LIAR Berlin is in PaleSWINE.
Morons to the Rescue in Gaza
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31030_Morons_to_the_Rescue_in_Gaza/comments/#ctop
Why would Greta LIAR Berlin need a boat to go to PaleSWINE when she can just ride her broomstick?