since westerners buy oil from dubai, which is really not dubai oil.....its just some beduins on top of oil, so its not their oil.......since westerners give those people in dubai that they dont deserve oil money ( oil money is money that is given to oil producing countries, becuase in reality they dont deserve it, so its called oil money......its diffrent than normal money).....then they should have full rights there.
Next time if they want to do this mating, they can book a cage in a zoo where this type of thing is usuall there.
moreover......... since one of the couples who had sex on the beach is a journalist....... we want a review of the jail of dubai....... bwahahahha
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on the other case I really sympathize with the boy, and justice is what we wait for....for the victim in the first place....time will tell.
arabian - many civilized places in the world have laws against sex on the beach, but there are no civilized places that have laws against "public displays of affection"
Western authorities and our media are telling us that Dubai is a civilized place, but Dubai's laws (and their law enforcement practices) are proof that Western authorities are lying.
Perhaps the laissez-faire attitude to the rape by the authorities is due to this:
"In fact, homoerotic acts that did not involve penetration were not even considered major sins. Moreover, falling in love with a boy was regarded as an involuntary act and outside the scope of religious concern ...
Quite clearly, Islam was hostile to anal intercourse, and if this is regarded as the distinguishing characteristic of being homosexual, it was anti-homosexual. Islam was not as antagonistic to activities that many would now call homoerotic.... Women, because they cannot penetrate, were not considered capable of being homosexual."
didnt you hear Mc Cain say that about Obama " he is not an arab, he comes from a decent family"
so your next government will be right hopefully.
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and Dubai in the first place uses Shariee as a primery source of legislation, not the only source of legislation.....
so it doesnt has to do with shariee, it has to do with culture difrences.
thats why the golden rule when traviling is "READ THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY BEFOREHAND"
I've been to "Arab" countries that are as civilized as any in the west.
The bedouin in Jordan and Israel are poor but they are civilized, so it's not the bedouin influence either.
Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE have never been classified as civilized. The UAE just gave up slavery. Saudis still enslave, and they encourage the spread of slavery throughout Africa. Their brutality is probably due to a combination of sharia and culture. The Persians in Iran call their uncivilized Mullahs 'wahhabis'.
The Wahhabis have always been malign and primitive. Since this is the basis of their culture, and since they are a traditional group, they always will be this way.
Perhaps the laissez-faire attitude to the rape by the authorities is due to this
The basis of sharia laws is: Muslim men are more equal than all others. Under sharia, Muslim men can, literally, get away with unlimited crimes. That's why Muslim men are such fans of sharia.
the irrisponsibale and immature act of two brits that think they are above law....is turned to a discuusion about the clash of civilizations?
they made a mistake and they got a punishment( yet I want a review of the jail).
in the middle east we have many problems including how zionism enterd jureslum into its PR and pictured the land of palestian as a deed from god to normal people from europe.
and the genarous peace propsal of barak in 2000 that will give palestenians the west bank ( parts a and b) not c that comparamises 51% of palestian
how the UN partisend palestian by giving 60% of the land to half a million jewish, and 40% to 1.5 million arabs.
so the two british if they feel they dont belong to dubai they can return to britian carriying with them books of marxisim and how to nationalize financial institutins to particapate in the 2nn biggest nationlization movment in the history of mankind( after the US ).
* the golden rule read laws of the country you travel two, better then compalining when falling in troubles
the irrisponsibale and immature act of two brits that think they are above law....is turned to a discuusion about the clash of civilizations?
Since Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE have never been civilized, there can't be a clash of civilizations here.
The brits were being dumb. But having a law against public displays of affection while condoning criminally deviant acts committed by Muslim men? That's troglodyte territory.
in the middle east we have many problems including how zionism enterd jureslum..
Right, blame the inherent brutality that has defined Wahhabism for hundreds of years on the Americans and Israel. That makes a lot of sense
in the middle east we have many problems including how zionism enterd jureslum into its PR and pictured the land of palestian as a deed from god to normal people from europe.>
Arabian would have you believe that the Jews of Europe are just adherents of a foreign, European religion, not indigenous people in exile from their home in the land of Israel. He conveniently doesn't talk about the origins of the nearly 1,0000,000 Jews driven out from Arab and Muslim lands after Israeli Independence. He ignores that for millenia -- that is, from long before Mophammed's wet dream "night journey" -- Jews in Alexandria, Amsterdam, Baghdad, Budapest, Frankfurt, Prague, Saana, Teheran, Venice and Vilna all faced Jerusalem in their daily prayers and proclaimed "Next Year in Jerusalem" at the end of Yom Kippur services and at their Passover seders. That in the cold, northern climes of Poland and Russia, among other places, they shivered in their sukkahs in the recreation of their harvest festival in their more temperate ancestral home.
There you have it, the big lie of Arab propaganda, namely that Jews are colonial occupiers, people with no connection to the land, which the Arabs say has belonged to the Arabs and Muslims from time immemorial.
The facts are otherwise. The Jewish presence in Palestine predates Islam and has been continuous. In fact, it predates the Roman conquest which renamed it Palestine, a reference the ancient Jews' nemesis, the Phillistines, to disassociate the place, then known as Judea, from the Jews. Saladin built the obscene structures on the Temple Mount -- specifically on the ruins of the Second Temple -- as a sign of conquest. It's only in recent centuries that the legend of the "night journey" to the "farther mosque" (al Aksa) were pegged to Jerusalem, and that clearly was a matter of shameless political fabrication.
how the UN partisend palestian by giving 60% of the land to half a million jewish, and 40% to 1.5 million arabs.
Don't hold your breath waiting for arabian to remind you that he's talking about 60% of 22% for 13.2% of historic Palestine after the Brits unilaterally gave the East Bank, some 78% of the Palestine Mandate, to a Hashemite tribal sheik in payment of a commitment made by T.E. Lawrence for the sheik's help in fighting the Turks in The Great War. Thus begins the monarchy in Jordan wherein the British imposed the Hashemites as rulers over indigenous Palestinians. (This Hashemite Emir was a cousin to the monarch similarly installed in the newly-minted country of Iraq.)
The self-serving, sanctimonious claim that Palestine has been Arab land "from time immemorial" is completely ahistorical. Not only does it deny the reality of continuous Jewish presence in Palestine, it utterly ignores the way the map of the entire Middle East was changed by WWI and before that the fact that the Turks who ruled Palestine for centuries are not Arab.
Apart from that, arabian ignores the fact that the UN Partition, which they Arabs rejected out of hand, as they did with the Peel Commission's proposed partition in 1937, was drawn up on the basis of demography: Jews were to be given control in areas where they were the majority and the Arabs where they were dominant. Oh, yes. Don't forget that the UN Partition Plan's Jewish area included the vast, largely uninhabited, arid and inhospitable Negev desert.
Finally, being old-fashioned, Nappy prefers the term Arab over Palestinian as a matter of historical accuracy. Until fairly recently (i.e., after failures of the last Pan-Arab attempts to push the Jews into the sea in 1967 and 1973), the Arabs insisted there was no such thing as a Palestinian, that the term was coined by Zionists and referred to the Jewish foreigners, that they themselves were Arabs and, more specifically, Syrians. (Under the Ottoman Empire, Palestine was part of the Syrian province ruled from Damascus.) The idea of Palestinian nationalism gained traction only after the failure of Pan-Arabism to destroy Israel. It became possible to refer to the Arabs of Palestine as Palestinians only after Israeli Independence, when the Jews of Palestine abandoned that designation in favor of calling themselves Israelis.
Arabian would have you believe that the Jews of Europe are just adherents of a foreign, European religion, not indigenous people in exile from their home in the land of Israel. He conveniently doesn't talk about the origins of the nearly 1,0000,000 Jews driven out from Arab and Muslim lands after Israeli Independence. He ignores that for millenia -- that is, from long before Mophammed's wet dream "night journey" -- Jews in Alexandria, Amsterdam, Baghdad, Budapest, Frankfurt, Prague, Saana, Teheran, Venice and Vilna all faced Jerusalem in their daily prayers and proclaimed "Next Year in Jerusalem" at the end of Yom Kippur services and at their Passover seders. That in the cold, northern climes of Poland and Russia, among other places, they shivered in their sukkahs in the recreation of their harvest festival in their more temperate ancestral home.
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This is easily debunked.
1) why didnt jews in the arab lands travel to jeruslim, when its was under the othomon empire ( the religeon of peace) and go to jeruslim . if it is a religous duty. although some did in the 17 century and 18 century, but they were rare incidents........
and why did they travel after the Zionist movement consolidated its presence in Palestinian?(cash and work is more appealing)
you answer?
2) when dealing with the great sin of europe ( the holocaust) zionist chose palestian as a homeland, and many jews in europe didnt fancy this idea, that was clear in the kibutizm where jews didnt know that the farms they cultiviated
or worked in were for previous owners called palestenians.
until later on, because the zionist movment kept this a secret (land without people and people without land).
ofcource those farms were just starters for other gains,,,,,,,,,,or did you think that people who think like you wouldve accepted the UN partisan?
3) do you know that many jews in europe had a return ticket before traviling to palestian? some even didnt hear about that place...(except the rabbies ofcourse).
4) what are you saying know is that all the refugees have to go settle in new lands, and the jews in europe continue building settlements in the west bank.
(moreover, destroying al aqsa mosque like the zealous did in the 1970s, and build a new temple over it)
(thats peace, ?....... wasnt the holocaust peace according to hitler?).
5) with all your "religeous" zealousness, its bad for israel...the only democracy in the middle east to think in that way...otherwise bye to using democracy as a tool to promote the endless theft of land and neglacanse to humen rights and refugees.
so you want the truth.....I lost all faith in peacfull solutions with people that are thirsty to land, but lets see the future what it carries.
----------------------------
as to MAry and her favorit term wahhabi.
1) this term is irrelevent in the arab world, its a term used by cheap western media to demonize islam in a clever way...and ofcourse some arabs will use this term because it is repeated by western media and fall in the trap.
wahhabism is irrelevent as a term on its own to respected thinkers not propoganders, because it doesnt refear to anything unique.
And what are the borders of the chosen land ...... we can clear everything for you to come and wait for end times without new wars.
we want a good answer so that all the unchosen people can make themselves ready to leave ASAP
...this term is irrelevent in the arab world, its a term used by cheap western media to demonize islam in a clever way
These aren't the Wahhabis we're looking for? Remember, that only works on weak minds.
The fact that the term "Wahhabi" has been used for decades to describe an extremism that is loathed by most Muslims and by Russians, Asians, etc., and the fact that this term was used before the western media ever heard of it kind of disproves your statement.
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since westerners buy oil from dubai, which is really not dubai oil.....its just some beduins on top of oil, so its not their oil.......since westerners give those people in dubai that they dont deserve oil money ( oil money is money that is given to oil producing countries, becuase in reality they dont deserve it, so its called oil money......its diffrent than normal money).....then they should have full rights there.
Next time if they want to do this mating, they can book a cage in a zoo where this type of thing is usuall there.
moreover......... since one of the couples who had sex on the beach is a journalist....... we want a review of the jail of dubai....... bwahahahha
____________
on the other case I really sympathize with the boy, and justice is what we wait for....for the victim in the first place....time will tell.
arabian - many civilized places in the world have laws against sex on the beach, but there are no civilized places that have laws against "public displays of affection"
Western authorities and our media are telling us that Dubai is a civilized place, but Dubai's laws (and their law enforcement practices) are proof that Western authorities are lying.
Perhaps the laissez-faire attitude to the rape by the authorities is due to this:
"In fact, homoerotic acts that did not involve penetration were not even considered major sins. Moreover, falling in love with a boy was regarded as an involuntary act and outside the scope of religious concern ...
Quite clearly, Islam was hostile to anal intercourse, and if this is regarded as the distinguishing characteristic of being homosexual, it was anti-homosexual. Islam was not as antagonistic to activities that many would now call homoerotic.... Women, because they cannot penetrate, were not considered capable of being homosexual."
http://www.historycooperative.org/cgi-bin/justtop.cgi?act=justtop&url=http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/111.4/br_171.html
From the article, I understood that the penetrated is held up for much more severe punishment, or derision, or social censure, than the penetrator.
who said arabic countries are civilized?
didnt you hear Mc Cain say that about Obama " he is not an arab, he comes from a decent family"
so your next government will be right hopefully.
_________________________
and Dubai in the first place uses Shariee as a primery source of legislation, not the only source of legislation.....
so it doesnt has to do with shariee, it has to do with culture difrences.
thats why the golden rule when traviling is "READ THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY BEFOREHAND"
who said arabic countries are civilized?
I've been to "Arab" countries that are as civilized as any in the west.
The bedouin in Jordan and Israel are poor but they are civilized, so it's not the bedouin influence either.
Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE have never been classified as civilized. The UAE just gave up slavery. Saudis still enslave, and they encourage the spread of slavery throughout Africa. Their brutality is probably due to a combination of sharia and culture. The Persians in Iran call their uncivilized Mullahs 'wahhabis'.
The Wahhabis have always been malign and primitive. Since this is the basis of their culture, and since they are a traditional group, they always will be this way.
Perhaps the laissez-faire attitude to the rape by the authorities is due to this
The basis of sharia laws is: Muslim men are more equal than all others. Under sharia, Muslim men can, literally, get away with unlimited crimes. That's why Muslim men are such fans of sharia.
C'mmon now
the irrisponsibale and immature act of two brits that think they are above law....is turned to a discuusion about the clash of civilizations?
they made a mistake and they got a punishment( yet I want a review of the jail).
in the middle east we have many problems including how zionism enterd jureslum into its PR and pictured the land of palestian as a deed from god to normal people from europe.
and the genarous peace propsal of barak in 2000 that will give palestenians the west bank ( parts a and b) not c that comparamises 51% of palestian
how the UN partisend palestian by giving 60% of the land to half a million jewish, and 40% to 1.5 million arabs.
so the two british if they feel they dont belong to dubai they can return to britian carriying with them books of marxisim and how to nationalize financial institutins to particapate in the 2nn biggest nationlization movment in the history of mankind( after the US ).
* the golden rule read laws of the country you travel two, better then compalining when falling in troubles
the irrisponsibale and immature act of two brits that think they are above law....is turned to a discuusion about the clash of civilizations?
Since Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE have never been civilized, there can't be a clash of civilizations here.
The brits were being dumb. But having a law against public displays of affection while condoning criminally deviant acts committed by Muslim men? That's troglodyte territory.
in the middle east we have many problems including how zionism enterd jureslum..
Right, blame the inherent brutality that has defined Wahhabism for hundreds of years on the Americans and Israel. That makes a lot of sense
#6 arabian
Arabian would have you believe that the Jews of Europe are just adherents of a foreign, European religion, not indigenous people in exile from their home in the land of Israel. He conveniently doesn't talk about the origins of the nearly 1,0000,000 Jews driven out from Arab and Muslim lands after Israeli Independence. He ignores that for millenia -- that is, from long before Mophammed'swet dream"night journey" -- Jews in Alexandria, Amsterdam, Baghdad, Budapest, Frankfurt, Prague, Saana, Teheran, Venice and Vilna all faced Jerusalem in their daily prayers and proclaimed "Next Year in Jerusalem" at the end of Yom Kippur services and at their Passover seders. That in the cold, northern climes of Poland and Russia, among other places, they shivered in their sukkahs in the recreation of their harvest festival in their more temperate ancestral home.There you have it, the big lie of Arab propaganda, namely that Jews are colonial occupiers, people with no connection to the land, which the Arabs say has belonged to the Arabs and Muslims from time immemorial.
The facts are otherwise. The Jewish presence in Palestine predates Islam and has been continuous. In fact, it predates the Roman conquest which renamed it Palestine, a reference the ancient Jews' nemesis, the Phillistines, to disassociate the place, then known as Judea, from the Jews. Saladin built the obscene structures on the Temple Mount -- specifically on the ruins of the Second Temple -- as a sign of conquest. It's only in recent centuries that the legend of the "night journey" to the "farther mosque" (al Aksa) were pegged to Jerusalem, and that clearly was a matter of shameless political fabrication.
Don't hold your breath waiting for arabian to remind you that he's talking about 60% of 22% for 13.2% of historic Palestine after the Brits unilaterally gave the East Bank, some 78% of the Palestine Mandate, to a Hashemite tribal sheik in payment of a commitment made by T.E. Lawrence for the sheik's help in fighting the Turks in The Great War. Thus begins the monarchy in Jordan wherein the British imposed the Hashemites as rulers over indigenous Palestinians. (This Hashemite Emir was a cousin to the monarch similarly installed in the newly-minted country of Iraq.)The self-serving, sanctimonious claim that Palestine has been Arab land "from time immemorial" is completely ahistorical. Not only does it deny the reality of continuous Jewish presence in Palestine, it utterly ignores the way the map of the entire Middle East was changed by WWI and before that the fact that the Turks who ruled Palestine for centuries are not Arab.
Apart from that, arabian ignores the fact that the UN Partition, which they Arabs rejected out of hand, as they did with the Peel Commission's proposed partition in 1937, was drawn up on the basis of demography: Jews were to be given control in areas where they were the majority and the Arabs where they were dominant. Oh, yes. Don't forget that the UN Partition Plan's Jewish area included the vast, largely uninhabited, arid and inhospitable Negev desert.
Finally, being old-fashioned, Nappy prefers the term Arab over Palestinian as a matter of historical accuracy. Until fairly recently (i.e., after failures of the last Pan-Arab attempts to push the Jews into the sea in 1967 and 1973), the Arabs insisted there was no such thing as a Palestinian, that the term was coined by Zionists and referred to the Jewish foreigners, that they themselves were Arabs and, more specifically, Syrians. (Under the Ottoman Empire, Palestine was part of the Syrian province ruled from Damascus.) The idea of Palestinian nationalism gained traction only after the failure of Pan-Arabism to destroy Israel. It became possible to refer to the Arabs of Palestine as Palestinians only after Israeli Independence, when the Jews of Palestine abandoned that designation in favor of calling themselves Israelis.
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Arabian would have you believe that the Jews of Europe are just adherents of a foreign, European religion, not indigenous people in exile from their home in the land of Israel. He conveniently doesn't talk about the origins of the nearly 1,0000,000 Jews driven out from Arab and Muslim lands after Israeli Independence. He ignores that for millenia -- that is, from long before Mophammed's wet dream "night journey" -- Jews in Alexandria, Amsterdam, Baghdad, Budapest, Frankfurt, Prague, Saana, Teheran, Venice and Vilna all faced Jerusalem in their daily prayers and proclaimed "Next Year in Jerusalem" at the end of Yom Kippur services and at their Passover seders. That in the cold, northern climes of Poland and Russia, among other places, they shivered in their sukkahs in the recreation of their harvest festival in their more temperate ancestral home.
"
This is easily debunked.
1) why didnt jews in the arab lands travel to jeruslim, when its was under the othomon empire ( the religeon of peace) and go to jeruslim . if it is a religous duty. although some did in the 17 century and 18 century, but they were rare incidents........
and why did they travel after the Zionist movement consolidated its presence in Palestinian?(cash and work is more appealing)
you answer?
2) when dealing with the great sin of europe ( the holocaust) zionist chose palestian as a homeland, and many jews in europe didnt fancy this idea, that was clear in the kibutizm where jews didnt know that the farms they cultiviated
or worked in were for previous owners called palestenians.
until later on, because the zionist movment kept this a secret (land without people and people without land).
ofcource those farms were just starters for other gains,,,,,,,,,,or did you think that people who think like you wouldve accepted the UN partisan?
3) do you know that many jews in europe had a return ticket before traviling to palestian? some even didnt hear about that place...(except the rabbies ofcourse).
4) what are you saying know is that all the refugees have to go settle in new lands, and the jews in europe continue building settlements in the west bank.
(moreover, destroying al aqsa mosque like the zealous did in the 1970s, and build a new temple over it)
(thats peace, ?....... wasnt the holocaust peace according to hitler?).
5) with all your "religeous" zealousness, its bad for israel...the only democracy in the middle east to think in that way...otherwise bye to using democracy as a tool to promote the endless theft of land and neglacanse to humen rights and refugees.
so you want the truth.....I lost all faith in peacfull solutions with people that are thirsty to land, but lets see the future what it carries.
----------------------------
as to MAry and her favorit term wahhabi.
1) this term is irrelevent in the arab world, its a term used by cheap western media to demonize islam in a clever way...and ofcourse some arabs will use this term because it is repeated by western media and fall in the trap.
wahhabism is irrelevent as a term on its own to respected thinkers not propoganders, because it doesnt refear to anything unique.
so good bye..............
And what are the borders of the chosen land ...... we can clear everything for you to come and wait for end times without new wars.
we want a good answer so that all the unchosen people can make themselves ready to leave ASAP
...this term is irrelevent in the arab world, its a term used by cheap western media to demonize islam in a clever way
These aren't the Wahhabis we're looking for? Remember, that only works on weak minds.
The fact that the term "Wahhabi" has been used for decades to describe an extremism that is loathed by most Muslims and by Russians, Asians, etc., and the fact that this term was used before the western media ever heard of it kind of disproves your statement.