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Friday, November 14, 2008

[The following is a guest posting from reader J.P. Jones:]

I Just Met a Thing Called Taqqiya

As is their wont, many Reform and Conservative rabbis and the liberal members of their congregations are desperate to invite Muslim interlocutors to their synagogues to engage in "interfaith dialogues." In the wake of 9/11 and the escalating Israel Palestinian conflict, these groups are not alone in their sincere desire to understand a religion and cultures that have unarguably produced mountains of dead and maimed from the Phillipines to the United States in recent years. The left wing of the Protestant establishment -- United Church of Christ, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, United Methodists and Unitarians are also engaged in this mammoth interfaith effort, but their process is indelibly stained with the mark of Jewish guilt in the person of Israel and its "oppression" of Palestinians. Eager to oblige these congregations, Islamic institutions across the United States routinely "explain" the core beliefs and history of the religion that claims nearly one and a half billion adherents. Jewish congregations are anxious to "build bridges" to Muslims in a desperate attempt to gain their acceptance.

Sadly, what we have here is yet another instance of unrequited love descending on American Jews. Careful to skirt the issue of Israel to Jewish groups, which, of course is central to the Muslim outreach to the left wing churches, Muslim spokespersons present their overview of Islam to well-meaning, accomodationist Jews as a "religion of peace."

Jewish knowledge of historical Islam, its pioneering role in the African Slave Trade, invention of the institution of dhimmitude, whereby non-Muslim Christian and Jewish populations are official objects of discrimination, shariah law, which carries out this discriminatory practice against them as well as against women, is scant -- at best. Most liberal Jews (who account for the vast majority of American Jews) view the Muslim world graphically: a third-world -- people of color -- oppressed minority -- interchangeable with African Americans and Native Americans.

The actual history and practice of Islam is virtually unknown to them. For example, as the eminent historian Andrew Bostom has chronicled, the Rhineland massacres during the First Crusade in the 11th century were preceded thirty years earlier by an even greater Muslim massacre of the Jews of Granada in 1066. Medieval European ghettos are common knowledge among Ashkenazi Jews in this country, but their counterpart in the Muslim world -- the mellahs -- remains terra incognita for those same people.

Recently, I had the opportunity to attend an introduction to Islam session at a synagogue in Newton, Massachusetts. The interlocutor was a lovely gentleman, a prominent cardio-vascular surgeon and soft spoken representative of the Islamic Council of New England, Dr. S. Asif Razvi. I'm a veteran of these interfaith meetings, so I wasn't surprised to hear all the familiar themes -- "religion of peace," "jihad as inner struggle," we're all cousins in the "Abrahamic faith," and so on and so forth. But this night was different. The rabbi's running interference for his guest notwithstanding, a perfectly understandable role, the audience actually challenged Mr. Razvi:

"Isn't there a passage in the Hadith that says, "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"

And from another:

"The Grand Imam of Al Azhar University in Cairo has called all Jews 'degenerate' and says that 'the good ones convert to Islam -- the bad ones do not.' Would you comment on this?"

I was shocked. And so was the rabbi. After all, Mr. Razvi was his guest and such questions were deemed -- that dreaded silencer word -- "inappropriate." So much for the endlessly provocative and inquisitive minds two millennia of rabbinic inquiry have produced.

The few pointed questions that did make it past censorship went unanswered by Mr. Razvi. In spite of citing his most admired preacher, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi of Qatar and Al Jazeera's most popular TV cleric, seen by millions every week, and who routinely cites the Hadith of the Jew hiding behind rocks and trees, Mr. Razvi pleaded ignorance and even denied the existence of such a Hadith. I later gave him the exact book and chapter citations from the two canonical collections of al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Moreover, he claimed no knowledge of Sunni Islam's most authoritative leader, Sheikh Muhammed Sayyid al Tantawi, the Grand Imam of Al Azhar University. To a Sunni religious leader, such a claim would be akin to a parish priest claiming no knowledge of someone called The Pope.

For our delectation and edification, we were handed copies of Islam: An Introduction in which we learn that The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem is historically notable for Muhammed's miraculous ascent to heaven on the back of his winged, noble steed, al Buraq. Strange, no mention of the prior sacredness of the place as Mt. Moriah where Abraham's hand was stayed from sacrificing Isaac.

A list of notable Muslims included the 11th century Persian al Ghazali and the14th century Al Azhar historian, Ibn Khaldun renowned for their scholarship, but carefully emended to omit their commitment to military jihad.

Incidentally, the printed Islam: An Introduction is a product of the Saudi Aramco corporation.

It may be getting harder to fool Jews judging from the incisive questions that night. At this rate, the American Jewish community may figure out what's going on -- in perhaps another hundred years.

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Next month at T Reyim, Roman Catholic Fr Walter Cuenin (sp?). Gay?. Defrocked?. Brandeis U chaplain. WRKO AM680 off-the-chart to the left kookoo panelist on "Talking Religion" Sunday morning 5 or 6 AM with UCC Rev Yvonne Eschner as moderator, and Larry "Geneva Accords" Lowenthal, and a Sharon? Stoughton? Needham? Moslem community leader (Dover Rugs?); I'm not taking notes Sunday 6 AM. See my WRKO guest post above. Father Wally called George Washington a terrorist. The typical apartheid occupation anti-Israel, anti-Semite.

one question here is, is the good Dr. Raszi a demopath -- ie he lies to us and pretends to be in favor of good relations, but he's really running interference for the jihadis? or is he a dupe, lying about the unpleasant parts of his religion because he really thinks/hopes that they are as marginal as he'd like to present them? In other words, is he well-meaningly dishonest or malevolently so?

so taqiiya is when someone cant summarize the whole quran and hadieth in 1 hour.

good good.

or when someone cant answer a specific question.

I dont know why this specific hadieth makes pro-israel occupation get angry. although when the hadeith was said jews didnt even have a country....so what point are you trying to make?

so let the people who advocate for the made up "takkiya" thing bring a hadieth or a verse next time to proof if its legtimate or a made up fantasy because of islampphobia.

I can't testify to Dr. Razvi's demopathology or his malevolency, but, as President of the ICNE, to be unaware of the most important canonical hadiths or the Grand Imam of Al Azhar University, is close to impossible. I don't believe that Taqqiya needs any further analysis than its recognition. We should spend all our time in defining it, exposing it and destroying it - before it destroys us.

actually the fact that jews didn't have a country for muslims to use as an excuse for genocidal hatred of jews when that hadith was spoken makes it even scarier...

My friend, throught islam history there is no "geneocidal" hate to jews,christians or anything.

what you are refering to is a prophecy, which will happen indeed as a muslim I believe in it. but this doesnt mean that we seek after every jew to kill him, or to do things to draw the "end times" nearer to us..... in contrast these prophesies will happen weather we want or not....as we believe.

as to how treat jews and christians , there are rulings on these issues....not prophesies...we dont deal with people through prophesies....nor can they be used to deduce rulings.
some aspects of the religeon are kept to the understand people on both sieds who understand that these issues arent a matter of public relations.

on the other hand..... when meeting with other people from other religeons.its better to refrian from some issues and asking about things that your mind cant absorb.... goofing around issues like this is a comedy because they wont lead to anything sensible on ground.

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on the other hand................... taqqiya is when people change their names like mendelssohn, and many others in europe back then.

or the famous marranos, Marranos or Secret Jews were Sephardic Jews (Jews resident in the Iberian peninsula) who were forced to adopt Christianity or leave Spain and Portugal , but became false Catholic converts to assimilate to society and secretly practiced Judaism. Many Marranos maintained their ancestral traditions as crypto-Jews by publicly professing Catholicism but secretly adhering to Judaism


ofcourse back then jews didnt have to practise taqqiya in the islamic world. until the enlightment era when christians threw their religeon and jews were happy to promote atheism wich will mean no more marranos


The truth is important. What you feel, even if strongly, is not necessarily the truth. So many Americans are addicted to their emotions

Once you have confronted the concept of Al Taqqiya, you quickly realize that muslims have boxed themselves into a corner. Everything was fine until someone let the cat out of the bag. They could lie to us by pretending to be good people and we wouldn't know the difference. Now, the discrepancy between what they claim to believe and what they do has become clear.

We must now make it known that the only honest, believable muslims are the jihadis who want to kill us all.

The others are simply dissimulating to trick us into letting them get closer, the better to stab us in the back... or front, whichever is more convenient.

It makes me realize that the rendition practiced at Guantanamo and elsewhere was necessary, as no chance could be given for them to manipulate interrogators into thinking their denials were truth. They needed to be brought to the brink, to be made to understand that it was Truth or Death, no other choice. Anything less would have given them an out to lie about their intentions in order to get out of their predicament.

Could we just stop buying their oil now? It's not like they have anything else to sell.

Then they would just starve away and we would be done with them in a generation.


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