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Thursday, December 31, 2009

The following, by Charles Jacobs, appeared originally in The Jewish Advocate (in full):

Where's our leadership?
By Charles Jacobs

We are a small people. We have multiple and powerful external enemies. Striving for Jewish political unity is our natural and rational impulse. Criticizing other Jewish leaders and mainstream Jewish organizations is usually just not done.

But these are extraordinary times. We face daunting challenges for which there are no known answers. Chief among them are Islamic anti-Semitism and the global jihad that pose enormous, unanticipated threats to Jews around the world.

In my last column I criticized the Anti-Defamation League and its head, Abraham Foxman, for its inadequate response to these threats. In truth, it is not only the ADL that is failing: Few Jewish leaders and almost no mainstream organizations have alerted our community that we face a radically new and potentially existential threat profile.

Jews are caught up in a perfect storm: In Western societies, real danger to Jews no longer comes from Christian hatred of Judaism or from Nazi-like animus against our "race"; it comes instead from a hatred of the Jewish state and its Jewish supporters. That this animus comes mostly from the ideological left, with which a majority of Jews identify, is painful and confusing to many.

At the same time, blowing in from the Muslim world is a different sort of anti-Semitism, one which combines modern anti-Zionist themes with primordial Islamic theological hatred. Jew-hatred now drives countless masses around the globe. Imbibing this poison, Muslim radicals have attacked and murdered Jewish people from Israel to Europe, from India to Seattle.

Islamic hatred has indeed come to America. In 1999, Sufi Sheikh Hisham Kabanni, head of the Supreme Islamic Council, testified to the State Department that 80 percent of American mosques are in the hands of radicals. A study by Freedom House, a Washington, D.C. policy center, found Saudi-produced anti-Semitic literature in Islamic Centers around the country. "Close Guantanamo, Re-open Auschwitz" has been shouted by Muslims at anti-Israel demonstrations in Fort Lauderdale and posted on Boston based Muslim Web sites.

Jewish leaders, at least at the national level, are not blind to these threats. Two years ago at an international conference on global anti- Semitism in Jerusalem, the heads of many major American Jewish organizations heard speakers like Robert Wistrich, the director of Hebrew University's Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism, who described Muslim Judeophobia as an existential threat. Last March, Wistrich wrote in Haaretz that "the scale and extremism of the literature and commentary available in Arab or Muslim newspapers, journals, magazines, caricatures, on Islamist websites, on the Middle Eastern radio and TV news, in documentaries, films, and educational materials, is comparable only to that of Nazi Germany at its worst." Through the Internet, this material is available to Muslims living among us here.

Because the mainstream media for various reasons downplay these threats, Jews who depend on The New York Times, The Boston Globe or CNN mostly don't see how our situation has been radically altered. And so the question remains: If they know, why haven't our leaders told us?

I suggest three reasons. First is a fear of being attacked as racists, bigots and Islamophobes - a line of attack that has been particularly effective against Jewish organizations. Second is a fear of being targeted for "defamation" suits like the one launched against activists and media outlets in Boston who reported on, or asked questions about the radical connections of leaders of the Saudi-funded Roxbury mosque. "Lawfare" works: Legal defense costs can be crippling. But I think the real reason that our leaders are silent is that they simply don't know what to do. Rather than admit this, they stay mum and mostly limit their public efforts to issuing reports and posting on their Web sites.

In this context, the letter to the Advocate by ADL's New England head, Derreck Shulman - in which he protests that I am "unaware of ADL's activism" against radical Islam - was a bit disappointing. Shulman points to articles about Islamic extremists and Arab anti-Jewish cartoons on ADL's Web site, instances of Congressional testimony and consultations with world leaders. Surely this is not a serious effort for an operation with a $50 million annual budget that claims to be our chief defender. Where is the big-picture strategy?

I don't blame Derrick - in fact his letter exposing CAIR (Committee on American Islamic Relations) just published in the Globe is a step in the right direction. The problem resides in New York. Should Jews not expect Foxman - and our other leaders - to level with us? To tell us what they know - about the penetration of the Muslim Brotherhood into our communities and about the proliferation of radical mosques across America, and about the intimidation?

Help us, Abe. We cannot continue with PC-denial and with timidity. Silence is potentially deadly. Let us face this challenge forthrightly, and together.

Charles Jacobs is president of Americans for Peace and Tolerance

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From the Article --- Second is a fear of being targeted for "defamation" suits like the one launched against activists and media outlets in Boston who reported on, or asked questions about the radical connections of leaders of the Saudi-funded Roxbury mosque. "Lawfare" works: Legal defense costs can be crippling. --- From the Article

Hoist on their own petard, with that one, Jews, heh?

The Left created a climate of fear in the public sphere, corporations, governments and government agencies, businesses, universities.

Speech codes, hate speech, persecution of minorities for mere criticism, charges of hater and racist for criticizing minorities and their agendas. And so on an so forth.

I see that coming to an end, sooner rather than later. Brought about by the Lefts latest minority victim identity group, Muslims....who have been coached by the Left to play the game of bash and silence the Christian European.

Cant end soon enough, I say.

A sea change is underway...a radical shift...away from the radical New Leftist turn that Western Civilization took in the 60s and post 60s.

Unfortunately, other minority groups are likely to get swept up in the need to do something about Islam, and the many Muslims in our midst, because of foolish immigration policies which have rapidly increased recently. The 60s saw "enlightened anti racist" immigration policies adopted throughout the West.

But again, people have been advocating sane policies for decades, which could have avoided the violent backlash against the excesses of the Social Democrats and their social engineering and utopian visions.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

EV enough already.

Efforts to become more tolerant, accepting and open were and are admirable goals.

You are confusing our (America's, the West's, if you wish the Jews') idealism and desire for a better world with the hatred and xenophobia of others.

Please stop blaming people who are NOT close-minded, racist and hateful with the behavior of people who attack us. Our idealism did not create their hate.

Should have thougth about the consequences of following the tactics the Left honed to a in art, its not like others werent telling you how wrong they were.

Enjoy the fruits of your labor. Its kind of poetic justice.

And claiming that the Leftist coalition groups are all doey eyed idealists, is par for the course. Your ranks are filled with self serving tribalists....hiding behind Leftist rhetoric. Just like the Islamists, who learned well.

self-serving tribalists - EV

Including outright racists, haters, and xenophobes....which the Left was happy to have vote for them, and support their wider coalition agendas...just like many of them are supporting the Islamists now.

Should have ostracized them from the coalition and party long ago, but alas...as long as it was the White Christian Euro Heterosexual Male that was the target, those dalliances were overlookable. Now that its Jews?

shrugs

What a sad state of affairs.

EVil, your attempts to make "the left" a Jews-only responsibility are laughable.

Please tell us how europe, your "white christian" europe, which is firmly in the leftist camp, is a creation of Jews?

Is Sweden controlled by Jews?
Is the uk controlled by Jews?
Is the church of england controlled by Jews?
Is the presbyterian church controlled by Jews?
Is communist China controlled by Jews?

EVil, a pox on your national socialist house and islamofascist madrassas.

Your "progressive" socialist europe is being overrun by people who don't care about your depraved culture.

Again, europe didn't and doesn't want Jews, now it has Muslims.

The US watches your degenerate europe die a thousand cuts, in disgust. Todays europe is a warning for the US.

EVil, your attempts to make "the left" a Jews-only responsibility are laughable --- EV

No attempts whatsoever have been made. You are just another minority gourp in the Leftist coalition against the White Euro Christian Male. However just because Jews are one among many, does not absolve Jews of criticism.

Hopefully, the majority of Jews will be voting American Conservative next year, having seen the error of their ways, and seeking to correct them (we all make mistakes). I wont be holding my breath though.

Todays europe is a warning for the US. -- Eddie

Indeed.

Eddie, I keep on telling you this, but it doesnt sink in. Im an American Conservative, Christian, Classically Liberal with a good bit of libertarianism.

However, even I have seen the writing on the wall, and have now moved to advocate identity politics for my disparaged and villified (by the Western Left and their gaggle of minority group camp follower) groups. When you are in a war, its OK to bend principles in order to survive...and the Left has been waging war on me and mine for decades.

Let me be clear, that I think that this is a 2 pronged strategy, the Conservative Republican Party should continue to advocate colorblind policies, and equality of opportunity and before the law, and so on and so forth.

However organizations should be formed where lawfare is waged against businesses, schools, governments, government agencies, and so on and so forth...so that the rights of me and mine groups is protected. Where any criticizm of my groups is hate speech, and history is rewritten where my group is not villified. Special preferences are inacted for my groups where they are underepresented, and moves to correct injustices, like the unequal performance of boys in schools, disproportionate number of male prisoners, disproportionate number of males in lower paying more dangerous jobs, and the like are addressed, instead of ignored. Furthermore, did you know that 75 percent of the recently unemployed were men, and its not because men make up 75% of the workforce.

The Left is gonna love the rise of identity politics among groups previously villified and disempowered via legal enformcement of promotion of others over them.

But its the zeitgeist that the Left created. A very successful one as well. The Islamists see it, and the groups villified by the Left in the West see it.

This is a hell the Left created.

I would prefer colorblindness, limited government, live and let live policies. But alas...

EVil, your white christian european [national] socialists are the reason that europe is dying.

Your klan should take full responsibility - but as usual your klan blames others.

Instead of euros raising your mohammedan masters to euro standards, your masters are lowering eurabia to third world levels.

europe is past the tipping point.

All the jihadis openly proclaiming their loyalty to al qada, openly celebrating the 9/11 sneak attack (see finsbury park mosque), the women walking in public in their burkas/chadors are clear proof of the end of europe.

It's over for you and your klan.

EVil, I won't shed a tear for your klan.

I agree that it is the White Western Euro Leftist (aka Communist, New Leftist Radical, Socialist, Social Democrat, Laborite, and so on and so forth that is the primary problem...in Europe and the Anglo Nations.

However, in the US, these folks would not be in power, without the support of minority groups. Now Europe, it is the same, the Left wouldnt be in power without support of the newly imported voters. So more new voters must be imported to keep the power base and control in the democracy.


In the US we already have the coalition of minority gourps, Blacks, Jews, and the Latin Americans, without which Barrack Hussein Obama would not be president....and Congress would not be held by the Left. And massive amnesty and immigration would long ago have been rejected and strong border and immigration enforcement implemented.

And so we roll on. The minority groups aligned against certain groups. Which will only end badly for them.

P.S. EVil,

It was your white Christian euro klan, in what you like to call the "uk", "scotland", which released the mohammedean bomber of Pan Am 103.

Your klans uncontrollable "PASSION"/GREED, for money, for oil contracts, is greater than your COMPASSION for the victims of Pan Am 103.

http://www.boycottscotland.com

EVil, you clearly are one of the DUMB white christians euro male drones.

Whatever a minority wants can not be accomplished without the support of the MAJORITY.

You have an obsession blaming certain minorities for your failures, but not for your klannish majority. Why is that?

Your list left out your bnp (british nazi party), racists, naziTIONISTS, klans.


Here is a little test for you,

Q1. Who bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City?

A1. A NATIVE AMERICAN?
A2. A ZIONIST?
A3. A BLACK?
A4. A WHITE CHRISTIAN EUROPEAN MALE?

EVil, if you need help answering Q1, try Google.

Whatever a minority wants can not be accomplished without the support of the MAJORITY. --- Eddie

Not the support of the majority, the support of a minority of the majority. AKA, the Western Euro Left.


You have an obsession blaming certain minorities for your failures, but not for your klannish majority. Why is that? --- Eddie

I dont have that obsession. My obssession is clearly with the Western Left...which includes a gaggle of minority groups who have formed coalitions with the self hating Euros, aka the Western Euro Left. In order not merely to push for equality of opportunity and before the law, which I support....but redistribution of wealth, reverse discrimination, also know by the euphamisms, affirmative action, and positive discrimination, and so on and so forth.

I am a Classically Liberal Christian, not a National Socialist. I do however belong to groups that are unprotected by PC and its a free for all in spewing hate, villifying, and attacking them. White Euros, Males, Christians....etc.

Just as the British didnt wish to go to war with the Nazis, and adopt Nazi German tactics to defeat them, often in contravenance of their own morality and principles, its pointless to act as if the Germans werent waging war on them and their allies. Its a sure way to ensure defeat. Better to adapt and adopt successful tactics used by the groups waging war against you, and wage effective war, so that you can go back to your Enlightened principles.

Its ugly, sure. However the Left and the minority groups should have thought about that before they embarked on the use of those tactics.

By any means necessary.

One can look at the coddling that the Black Panthers recieved and recieve from the American Left, and more mainstream African American organizations. This alliance with Islam is just business as usual.

The Decent Left is a small minority on the Western Left. New Leftist radicals control the Democrat Party, and their gaggle of minority identity victimization groups.

Your question is irrelevant.

Interesting article.
As a Canadian Jew I consider myself in the political center... I believe in a woman's right to choose , I have no issues with homosexuals, yet I am a fiscal conservative and believe that "big" government is anathema.
When it comes to Eretz Israel, I am more in tune with the "Right". Israel is "our" land, a Jewish land. Countless archeological digs and historical writings support this. For those of you who are religiously inclined...the bible supports this.
I find it galling that we even have to consider giving an inch of our patrimony in order to have peace in our land. I sit here racking my brains trying to think of what nation in history has ever willingly given an inch of their heritage for the sake of what is clearly an illusory peace. You would think that even the most simple minded individual capable of reading a book or article on the subject of Islam could understand that Islam will not permit any kind of
peace with Jews. The great theologian and philosopher Maimonides called their Mohammad "meshugah" i.e. crazy, and this, many centuries ago. And yet today, in the 21st century there are Jews who willfully support the left and the left's support of radical Islam.A left that demonizes Israel and thus demonizes all Jews wherever they might be.
The situation in Europe rankles hard with me, nothing has changed in that cesspool. Antisemitism is seemingly genetic among these Europeans ...and that will never ever change. Sure, there are some gentiles who are "friends" to the Jews...but I assure you that they are an impotent minority. It is something that some Jews just can't get their mind around..they just don't get it. They think that living in a modern society has somehow caused
humans to have a blind eye with regards to color, religion, and cultural differences. We are all humans, with our biases, hatreds, and fear of that which is different. We are not very different from our ancestors in that respect...evolution is a million year process...we have not been around long enough to have evolved that much.

There is nothing more frustrating as a Jew than to see some of my people tread in the putrid path that the "left" has forged for us in Europe and wishes to forge for us in North America. The Chomskys,Finkelsteins, and Lerners et al.
of this world frustrate and anger me to no end. Traitors all. Self-hating Jews, blindly eager to trade their Jewish identity for that the liberal-left. They are spineless with no pride in their venerable heritage,culture, and religion.
I firmly believe that these individuals are among the most dangerous members of the Left to Jews...we are our own worst enemies.
These scum legitimize the rampant antisemitism found among the "Left".

As a Canadian I am perhaps not well informed as to the demographic vote obtained my President Obama, however I would not be surprised if a large number of Jews voted for this man. The question is why ? Barack Obama is clearly no friend to Jews and Israel...but clearly a "wannabe" friend to our most virulent enemies in the Islamic world and a close ally to the radical left. This was common knowledge "before" the man was elected. So how do Jews vote for this man ? I am beyond being perplexed at the seeming idiocy displayed by some of my brethren.

I see the same idiocy here in Canada. We have Jews such as Irwin Cotler who continue to remain in the Canadian liberal party. A party headed by the worst kind of liberal-leftist imaginable...a former academician (Harvard,Oxford,Cambridge) Michael Ignatieff. I can only be thankful at this point that the Canadian Conservative party headed by Stephen Harper is currently in power.I am not so optimistic that this will remain the case in the next round of Canadian elections...and though I know of many Jews in my community who will continue to vote for Harper...there are just as many who will blindly vote for the liberal party because of Jews like Irwin Cotler.

Why is this ? Lack of leadership among our people is certainly a major reason. It is unfortunate that we do not have any truly significant representation among conservatives. Can some one name a truly major Jewish player in North America whom one can identify with the "right" ? An individual who speaks in defense of his people and of Israel without reserve ? Hell, the one and only Muslim American congressman, Keith Ellison,certainly has no problem pushing
the Islamic agenda. What is it about Jews that they feel they cannot do a fraction of the same.
It seems to me that as Jews we care way too much as to how non-Jews perceive us...it is endemic among us to the point of absurdity. For instance, do you think that other nations give a damn as to what the "world" will say if their sovereignty and citizens were attacked ? No, they just do what needs to be done. Who the hell makes hundreds of calls, and launches thousands of leaflets to warn his enemy that he will be attacking. Apparently us Jews. Why ? Because we are a great and compassionate nation ? Of course not..its because we worry what the Goy will be saying about us on the 6 o'clock news. We lack leadership yes..but more importantly we lack courageous leadership.

I have seen some glimmers of hope here in Canada with Jews such as Ezra Levant who courageously fight back and do so publicly and without reserve.
But I find that such leadership is scarce...our leaders are too busy worrying about the "image" of the Jew instead of being courageous and pragmatic with respect to defending our interests.

Can some one name a truly major Jewish player in North America whom one can identify with the "right" ?

NeoCons?


I actually think of David Ignatieff as a more Decent than average Leftist. But I fully admit, Im only passingly familiar with him.


Let me see if I can put it in simple enough terms for Eddie to understand.

Lets say that the Nazis march into town, and the local non Jews of different ethnic backround, point out the Jews to the Nazis, helping the Nazi's to execute their plan of anihilation of the Jews. This local ethnic group has no love for the Jews either, and are happy to suppor the Nazi's in their endevour.

Now imagine Eddie is criticizing the actions of this "minority" group who were not in power, but were happy to lend support to the powers that be, in attacking the Jewish people. Imagine if said ethnic group member then tells Eddie to quit blaming them, it was the Nazi Germans who did it, quit trying to blame minorities for Nazi German crimes.

Hope that fires off a few synapses, in that hard head of yours Eddie.

As a Canadian Jew I consider myself in the political center... I believe in a woman's right to choose , I have no issues with homosexuals, yet I am a fiscal conservative and believe that "big" government is anathema. --- Mike

Interesting, so you wouldnt have a problem if the local Homosexual Political Action Committee sent some recruiters to the local high school to teach your children about how wonderful homosexual activity is and then go on to discuss fisting and sodomy?

Believing in a women's right to choose, a euphamism for infanticide is not a centrist position. It's a leftwing position.

It is incorrect to call yourself a centrist, merely because you hold socially liberal positions and are conservative on limitations of government and economic policy.

Just as it would be improper for a person who believes in the totalitarian state and is socially conservative, a fundamentalist religious zealot, to call himself a centrist.

Best

EV

That should be believes in a socialist totalitarian state.

Or try this one on for size,

I consider myself a political centrist, I believe in limited government, and fiscal conservativism, but I have no problem with homosexuals, and I believe in a man's right to own slaves.

Hopefully that illuminates your error.

Evil,

"Now imagine Eddie is criticizing the actions of this "minority" group who were not in power, but were happy to lend support to the powers that be, in attacking the Jewish people. Imagine if said ethnic group member then tells Eddie to quit blaming them, it was the Nazi Germans who did it, quit trying to blame minorities for Nazi German crimes."

WHAT are you trying to say?

Who is the "minority" group in your example? The people collaborating with national socialist nazi filth? That's your "minority"?

Try again.

EVil also said "its pointless to act as if the Germans werent waging war on them and their allies. Its a sure way to ensure defeat."

It's also pointless to act as if islamofascists aren't waging war on the entire world.

As I said, your euros didn't and don't want Jews, now it has the Muslim hordes taking over eurabia, aka europe.

Did you see that another Muslim atrocity was foiled? Thankfully muhammeds personal Danish cartoonist is safe.

EVil, just I as oppose islamofascism, I oppose your national socialism masquerading as "Conservatism".

EV says " It is incorrect to call yourself a centrist, merely because you hold socially liberal positions and are conservative on limitations of government and economic policy. "

My comment was long enough without me going into explicit details of my political beliefs. The right to chose, my stance on homosexuality etc...are but examples. Thought it was obvious enough.

You think our teens don't know about such things as sodomy and fisting ? You some kind of rube or something ? They don't need homosexuals to come to their schools for this...our culture with its easy access to pornography takes care of that for them. I have no issues with Gays like most fundamentalist Christians,Jews,or Muslims do. Why should I ? I find it abhorrent to persecute a group of individuals for what they do in private.
What next ? Should we also start going after straight men with fetishes that the majority find bizarre or unacceptable ?
Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of mankind...it is perhaps a genetic/biological condition and not so much a learned behavior. I can't say I'd be thrilled if one of my kids turned out to be gay but I would certainly not start targeting homosexuals because they somehow indoctrinated them into being gay!


EV says " It is incorrect to call yourself a centrist, merely because you hold socially liberal positions and are conservative on limitations of government and economic policy. "

My comment was long enough without me going into explicit details of my political beliefs. The right to chose, my stance on homosexuality etc...are but examples. Thought it was obvious enough.

You think our teens don't know about such things as sodomy and fisting ? You some kind of rube or something ? They don't need homosexuals to come to their schools for this...our culture with its easy access to pornography takes care of that for them. I have no issues with Gays like most fundamentalist Christians,Jews,or Muslims do. Why should I ? I find it abhorrent to persecute a group of individuals for what they do in private.
What next ? Should we also start going after straight men with fetishes that the majority find bizarre or unacceptable ?
Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of mankind...it is perhaps a genetic/biological condition and not so much a learned behavior. I can't say I'd be thrilled if one of my kids turned out to be gay but I would certainly not start targeting homosexuals because they somehow indoctrinated them into being gay!


Its Michael Ignatieff and not David...hardly a decent leftist. However I'll let that pass as you are definitely not familiar with Canadian politics if you think he is decent..

Who is the "minority" group in your example? The people collaborating with national socialist nazi filth? That's your "minority"?

Try again. -- Eddie

Latvians to give just one example of many.

Try again Eddie, to obfuscate, and deflect. You can try whataboutery as well. But Im on to your tricksy Jewish ways. ;)

EVil, just I as oppose islamofascism, I oppose your national socialism masquerading as "Conservatism". -- Eddie

Whatever you say Eddie. Your attepts to villify me for playing identity politics is laugable...singling me out and not other groups for castigation.

Exit question, do you oppose Israel's National Socialism? Or just other groups?

A discussion on European National Socialism would be good. Post WW2, it seems that National Socialism became the dominate political organizing principle in much of ethnically cleansed Europe. Perhaps a discussion of the Scandinavian countries would be illuminating.

You think our teens don't know about such things as sodomy and fisting ? You some kind of rube or something ? They don't need homosexuals to come to their schools for this...our culture with its easy access to pornography takes care of that for them. I have no issues with Gays like most fundamentalist Christians,Jews,or Muslims do. Why should I ? I find it abhorrent to persecute a group of individuals for what they do in private.
What next ? Should we also start going after straight men with fetishes that the majority find bizarre or unacceptable ?
Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of mankind...it is perhaps a genetic/biological condition and not so much a learned behavior. I can't say I'd be thrilled if one of my kids turned out to be gay but I would certainly not start targeting homosexuals because they somehow indoctrinated them into being gay!

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Whoa! Hold on there a minute Mike. You leap from having a problem with Queer Recruiting Groups addressing high schoolers to persecuting Gays? Who the hell is talking about persecuting gays?

Should we also start going after straight men with fetishes that the majority find bizarre or unacceptable ? --- Mike

Are they attempting to recruit other peoples children at public schools? Teaching them about the exciting wonders of their fetishes?

Promoting deviant behavior has no place in the public school system. Period.

Mike,

Why is this ? Lack of leadership among our people is certainly a major reason. It is unfortunate that we do not have any truly significant representation among conservatives. Can some one name a truly major Jewish player in North America whom one can identify with the "right" ? An individual who speaks in defense of his people and of Israel without reserve ?


Because then he will be accused of dual loyalties and EV and co., will find ways to damn all the Jews of America, even that Jew who helped fund the War of Independence against the British.
Amazing how they have not the courage to openly accuse Muslims of dual loyalties despite that Muslims hold allegiance to Islam above their American citizenship.

Because then he will be accused of dual loyalties and EV and co., will find ways to damn all the Jews of America, even that Jew who helped fund the War of Independence against the British.
Amazing how they have not the courage to openly accuse Muslims of dual loyalties despite that Muslims hold allegiance to Islam above their American citizenship. --- Cynic

I recognize dual loyalties in both Jews and Muslims.

Muslims are by far the greater problem with regards to dual loyalties. I have sentimental dual loyalties myself with regards to Ireland...however Ireland and Israel are allies and will remain so for the foreseeable future. And Ireland doesnt have the best record either (see WW2).

However Islam is far and away a problem demanding attention.

Its the difference between live and let live tolerance in defence of liberty, vs. foolishness in the face of a supremacist ideology seeking to conquer new territory.

Trust me on this Cynic, I have the courage to accuse Muslims of having loyalties that lie elsewhere, with the Ummah and Dar al Islam.

My mild criticism of Jews as minority group supporter of the Western Left is nothing compared with my outright hostility to Islam and its followers.

EVil, you forget that your fellow white euro national socialist SWINE had their own gay segment.

The leadership of your national socialist germany had so many gays in power positions that your fellow swine had a little house cleaning that came to be called the "Night of the Long Knives".

And what's the deal with your former white euro fuhrer SHITler? Why did your furher wait until the very end of his "1,000 year reich" at the tender age of 57, FINALLY get up the nerve to "marry" his first frauline?

What's the matter national socialist EVil, didn't your furher like girls?

This whole thread is outrageous and full of the kind of bigotry ADL, Jacobs whose article is cited here, most Americans, certainly most Jews, enlightened Muslims and Christians of principle are trying to fight.

Now it's strayed into the region of homophobia and dual loyalty.

We have EV to thank for this, he who openly baits Jews and tries to get himself off the hook for this by claiming he hates Muslims even more.

This is deeply upsetting to encounter on a principled blog. It is reactionary and divisive and a return to Dark Ages bigotry. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Enlightenment values which nurtured our Constitution and national ethos.

It's also the mirror image of the kind of tripe easily visible on far right wing racist websites and also the nuttiest of misojudaic Islamist sites and the wierder fringes of the far Left.

EV, shame on you. If for one moment you think you are a classically liberal person think again.

EVil, do you consider loving BOTH your mother and father (assuming you know who your father really is) DUAL LOYALTY?

If you have children (how unfortunate for them) do you LOVE one child more than the other(s), is that DUAL LOYALTY?

EVil, considering that your fellow national socialists plunged the entire world into War, your MONO LOYALTY,

loyalty to national socialism,

which did SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY to the US, UK and SU,

it is your MONO LOYALTY to national socialism a threat to peace.

EVil, I REJECT islamofascism and your MONO LOYALTY to national socialism.

P.S. In case you didn't notice, the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 national socialist white trash europe.

Sophia, why do you say:

"wierder fringes of the far Left"?

It is more accurate to describe it as the "RACIST fringes of the far Left".

Do you really think that the Left is free of racism and misogyny and homophobia?

Is the darling of the Left, the castro dictatorship of Cuba, free of homophobia?

Sophia, I have done more already to support and defend classical liberalism than you probably ever will in your lifetime of Leftist foolishness.

I dont hate Jews, Muslims, or Homos. Nor have I expressed hatred in this thread.

I am virulently anti Islam...and anti Western Leftism.

One of the big problems is that people like you have denounced people like me for 50 years as haters, racists, fascists, Neo Nazis and bigots. It has silenced people who are trying to get ahead ecnomically from discussing these issues openly, and now only real racists and Neo Nazis are available for people to express their frustration via the SECRET ballot box.

Shame on YOU, I say.

White People are people too. Christians are people too. Males are people too. And so on and so forth.

I have more principles in my little pinky than you do in your enitre worldview.

You cant silence me Sophia, I know how its done, and I am beyond reproach.

Much better to engage rationally, instead of going for the easy ostracism and denunciation and stigmitization.

Eddie, you arent making any sense.

EV,

My mild criticism of Jews as minority group supporter of the Western Left

So those Neocons" who the left accuses of causing the Iraq war form part of the collective you are accusing?

Why "The Jews"? Why not be a little more specific and accuse those guilty of said support and distinguish them from those Jews who have nothing to do with the left?

Because you are too lazy or because it suits your purpose in the long run?

Amazing how all those others, non Jews, who have been bad for your USA have not been distinguished by their group, religious or otherwise and cursed collectively. Only the Jews.

Those Jews who support the Left as it is today are just as bad for Israel and most other Jews; but I suppose whatever happens to the Israelis they must be to blame because they are Jews.

Lets compare and contrast Solomon and EV.

Solomon has a deep attachment and concern for Israel.

EV has a deep attachment and concern for Ireland.

Solomon is an American NeoConservative.

EV is an American Conservative.

Solomon is a Jew.

EV is a Christian.

Solomon supports the ADL.

EV supports the White European People's ADL.

Solomon is fiscally conservative.

So is EV.

Solomon supports capitalism and limited government.

So does EV.

Solomon opposes IslamoFascism.

So does EV.

How is Solomon any different from EV?

Is Solomon also a National Socialist? A hater? A racist? A fascist? Is Solomon not a Classical Liberal? Why is Solomon principled, and EV is not principled?

Enquiring minds want to know?

(I know why, its a double standard. But Im not holding my breath that Sophia is going to admit the double standard. In fact, her main gripe is that somehow Israel and Jews got moved to the other side of the double standard by the Western Left...not that their is a double standard. Im onto you Sophia.)

EVil, I'm not surprised that your national socialist addled brain has difficulty understanding anything outside your FAKE "conservtive" worldview.

The mufti of Jerusalem was an ally of your "conservative" furher too.

It was your FAKE "conservative", neo-nazi filth david duke who traveled to baathist syria to speak to an adoring crowd of fascists.

Cynic said: So those Neocons" who the left accuses of causing the Iraq war form part of the collective you are accusing?

EV responds:Im am a big admirer of the NeoConservative movement, including many prominent Jews classified as such. Like David Horowitz, to give just one example.

Cynic said:Why "The Jews"? Why not be a little more specific and accuse those guilty of said support and distinguish them from those Jews who have nothing to do with the left?"

Fair criticism. Sometimes laziness, or the complications in doing so, are time consuming. I should be given some credibility here, amongst those who know me somewhat and some well. I have previously discussed the issue. Jews vote in large numbers for the Democrat Party, support Leftist agendas and organizations in similar proportions, and have been prominent leaders among the New Left Radicals that have been assaulting me and mine for 50 years. Its no secret that Communism and far Leftist radicalism was very prominent amongst Jews in this country. In other words, the Rosenberg's Jewishness was not a surprise. However, it must be noted that Jews tend to excell in a free and open society, their culture produces excellence, and you will find Jews prominent in Neo Conservativism for example and other political (and non political movements, fields, and endevours.)


Cynic said: "Because you are too lazy or because it suits your purpose in the long run?"

Lazyness is preceding any criticism or commentary as regards Jews and American Jews, with a giant preamble. Im a fan of Jews and do not wish ill to come to them. I do however have serious political disagreements with the vast majority of American Jews.

Cynic said:Amazing how all those others, non Jews, who have been bad for your USA have not been distinguished by their group, religious or otherwise and cursed collectively. Only the Jews.

EV said: Another falsehood. I am also highly critical of Latin Americans support of mass immigration and amnesty for illegal Latin American immigrants, and open borders. African Americans as well. That doesnt mean that I dont fully embrace both Latin American and African American Conservatives. I wholeheartedly do.

I realize that Jews feel under siege. Let me say that I feel your pain, I too feel under seige. How about cutting me and mine a little slack, heh?

Cynic said: Those Jews who support the Left as it is today are just as bad for Israel and most other Jews; but I suppose whatever happens to the Israelis they must be to blame because they are Jews.

I fully support Israel's right to exist. Admire its industriousness and high achievement. And I support it militarilly, financially, and economically, via US foreign policy support and advocation.

Yet, Im somehow highly suspect as a Jew hater. Oh the humanity!

EVil,

You unsurprisingly left out an important comparison.

Solomon OPPOSES nazi filth.

EV EMBRACES and identifies with nazi filth.

BTW EVil, during WW2, which side was your Ireland on?

You are wrong about that.

I oppose Nazi's and Neo Nazis, as well as Nazism and Neo Nazism.

I am also highly critical of European socialism...from the American Conservative POV.

I am a Classical Liberal with strong Libertarian leanings. Not a National Socialist.

I oppose Communists and Socialists, Communism and Socialism of any stripe....for example Chavistism in Venezuela.

The only reason you are attacking me, is that I stand up for my groups in the environment created by teh New Left in which Identity Politics is the New Zeitgeist.

I dont attack Solomon for being pro Jewish or his group affiliations. For supporting the ADL. Heck, I support the ADL most of the time, when they arent attacking my groups in a ridiculous manner, but rather fighting serious discrimination against Jews.

Ireland was neutral, but lent much support to the Allies, it's heart mainly lay with the Allies. But it had too much bad blood between it and the UK, at the time. Furthermore, it was the radical Leftwingers in Ireland that were apologetic of the Nazis, especially at the time of the Non Agression Pact between the Soviet Union and National Socialist Germany.

All you have is ad hominems. They no longer work in silencing people. You need to up your game.

Help us, Abe. We cannot continue with PC-denial and with timidity. Silence is potentially deadly. Let us face this challenge forthrightly, and together. -- Charles Jacob

EVil,

"I oppose Nazi's and Neo Nazis, as well as Nazism and Neo Nazism."

LOL! Do you cross your fingers and hope to die too?

As far as Ireland, correct, Ireland was neutral.

The international powerhouse of HONDURAS sided with the Allies,

but the WW2 de Valera government couldn't take a principled stand and oppose national socialism.

Sad.

EVil, WHY didn't WW2 Ireland have the guts to officially oppose SHITlers third reich?

Again EVil, previously, in your post near the bottom of #35 you said...

"How is Solomon any different from EV?

Is Solomon also [my emphasis of your actual comment] a National Socialist? A hater? A racist? A fascist? Is Solomon not a Classical Liberal? Why is Solomon principled, and EV is not principled?"

You ask whether Sol shares your embrace of national socialism.

The cat is out of the bag.

What did the de Valera government of WW2 Ireland do upon hearing of the death of your furher SHITler?

No I ask if Solomon in your twisted mind is also a Nazi, because you have made it clear that you think I am one....or at least are attempting to stigmatize me in that manner.

Frankly its Jews like you that give Jews a bad name, Eddie.

You have nothing of value to add, except attacks on me and mine.

You are the hater, not me.

You havent established you bonifides with me, nor have you attempted too.

Until you establish any bonifides with me, then Ill consider you a Goy hater.

Have a good day!

EVil, it's FAKE "Conservatives" like you who give conservatism a bad name.

EVil, I hate nazi filth like you.

Please visit the website of the IDF,

http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/

the Israeli Defense Force to see your worst nightmare - armed Jews.

EVil, may you and yours continue to have a lousy, nakba, unconditional surrender filled day.

Eddie, I get the message that you hate me and mine.

Unfortunately, many people that do not have the level of understanding that I do would generalize your Goy hatred to all Jews. You are your own worst enemy.

Have a good day!

EVil, it is nazi vermin like your heroes who brought death and destruction to the World in the 1930s/40s.

Today your national socialist cancer has found a receptive host in the islamist world, but your arrogance will be your downfall today, as it was in the past.

The "untermenchen", dhimmis, are ready for you.

FYI, here is a link at Wikipedia on shame of WW2 de Valera controlled Ireland and its "neutrality" during World War II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II

An excerpt:
"Victory in Europe Day

In his speech celebrating the Allied victory in Europe (May 1945) Winston Churchill remarked that he had demonstrated restraint in not laying 'a heavy hand upon Ireland, though at times it would have been quite easy and quite natural.'"

God Bless Winston Churchill - he told it like it is to nazi filth and appeasers - to you and yours!

EVil, Continue to have a lousy day!

Unfortunately for the British, its England that is overun with Mohammadeans. Welcoming in the Islamofascists with a warm bossom. Fascilitating their own dhimmitude.

Not the Irish or the Swiss.

LOL!

Keep up the hate and raging paranoia Eddie, its shaped you into a wonderful human being.

EVil, yes, the "uk" is not what it once was. It's a shadow of its former self. Winnie must be turning in his grave.

The "uk" needs a Churchill today, but the socialists have deballed the uk and it's going to take a long time for the uk to regrow a set, if ever.

Show COMPASSION for the VICTIMS of Pan Am 103

http://www.boycottscotland.com

Cynic says :
"Because then he will be accused of dual loyalties and EV and co., will find ways to damn all the Jews of America, even that Jew who helped fund the War of Independence against the British " etc..

But don't you see that what you say precisely illustrates my point ? As Jews we must stop caring what "others" will think...this complex is harming us...it is crippling us. Being proud of one's heritage and being supportive of one's mother country is not dual loyalty. Why is it that an Italian, an Irishman, a Greek and any other group can express fierce pride and support of their mother countries but not Jews ? Are these people disloyal ? Are they trying to impose their culture upon us ? It seems obvious to me that they are not. I have yet to meet the Italian or Greek (two nationalities prevalent where I live) who openly criticizes and castigates his own in public and with as much virulence then our own misguided brethren.
I am not asking for Jews to impose any of our culture or religion upon other groups (unlike Muslims). I am simply saying that when our motherland is publicly demonized, when our brethren are openly humiliated, when the libels of old are revived, as they are in Europe and increasingly in North America, it is only natural to speak out courageously and without reserve. The thing is...what is natural for others is seemingly difficult for a lot of Jews. And certainly so for the majority of the meek Jewish leadership.

I can tell you with certainty that there will always be those who speak openly against us Jews, who will do all in their power to exterminate us. This ,I can assure you, will never change...as long as the sky does not fall on our heads antisemitism will always exist. Knowing this...would it not be rational to stand up, to defend ourselves without reserve. And more importantly to have leaders who courageously do so as well ?

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