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Monday, February 22, 2010

Well, it's news anyway. The pressure needs to be kept on:

The UC Irvine students who were arrested after protesting a Feb.8 speech by Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren have received disciplinary letters from the university office of judicial affairs.

UCI sent the letter to the eight Irvine student protesters early last week.

The UC Riverside's student conduct office is reviewing video footage and materials from the speech and demonstration but has yet to make a decision regarding the three UCR students who were arrested. Administrators have sent inquiry letters to the students in question.

According to Cathy Lawhon, UCI spokeswoman, the protesters had to respond to their disciplinary letters and make appointments with campus judicial affairs by Tuesday or holds would be placed on their registration and financial aid. The letters, outlining the initial complaint, are the first step in a six-week long disciplinary process; Lawhon did not know if the students answered the notices by the Feb. 16 due date.

Mohamed Abdelgany, president of UCI's Muslim Student Union and one of the eight Irvine student protesters, said that he responded to the letter and suspects that the university is threatening to pursue "very harsh punishments against (him) and his fellow students."

Abdelgany, who believes that the sanctions could be as serious as suspension or expulsion, has offered a suggestion to the administration.

"The best action for the university to take is to hear our grievances, and work to make all students and student groups feel included. That would be true leadership," said Abdelgany in an e-mail to the Register...

Yeah, right. Now check this out:

...Traher Herzallah, one of the three UC Riverside protesters, said that his protest followed in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela and Rosa Parks and added that "one would think that (UC Riverside) would... even support the students for exercising their First Amendment rights rather than reprimand them."...

Nelson Mandela and Rosa Parks? Pornographic.

Update: StandWithUs has released a new video showing, contrary to student claims, the coordinated nature of the disruption:

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In the meanwhile, UC students are carpet bombed with emails such as this, from Students for Just Us in Palestine, urging us to write in:

Sample 1;

Dear Dean of Students,

As a citizen of California, I am asking you not charge the students who disrupted Michael Oren's speech the other night, using either the law or university policies. I do not believe they broke any laws, and charging these students seems to me to be asking for trouble - fanning the flames on an already divisive issue. Heckling is an exercise in free speech, and I would hate to live in a state where students cannot heckle a speaker without being arrested or suspended from school.

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Sample 2:

Dear Chancellor Drake


I have recently seen the video of the disruption of Israeli ambassador's speech at a UCI event. I have also seen e-mails (that perhaps reached you) asking you to suspend or expel some students. May I request that you ignore such calls for extreme action?

I understand the frustration of the Political Science dept that hosted the event as well as the issue of campus discipline. However, we must see the event in context of a recent bitter war that has affected many people. The Gaza war has been cited for war crimes by the UN. 37 schools were destroyed and a university was bombed to ashes. Its natural that such a war deeply affects some students like no war since the Vietnam war when similar disruptions were common.


History has shown extreme reactions by university administrators as imprudent. In the long run, they reflecting poorly on the university. Lets remember that while disruptions were forgotten in the past, high handed reaction by the university administration lasted as a stigma.

Perhaps a solution looking ahead for such contentious issues is that UCI promotes events that present perspectives from both sides. It would be a lasting solution in comparison to handing out heavy punishments under pressure from any group. It would allow both sides to be represented - as important an issue as Freedom of Speech.

Respectfully

Sample 3:

I am really worried that freedom of expression will be curtailed should the university prosecute the students responsible. It may not be the most popular thing to do, yet it is the right thing. I agree that the ambassador had the right of freedom of speech as well; and this is where the freedom of speech for both sides must be tolerated. In this case, it was only the ambassadorĀ“s freedom of speech that was respected. Both must be respected.

This may sound as impossible. It is not. For this is how our founding fathers believed: no one should be muzzled for the sake of another.

Now that the students were muzzled by the university, UCI has the duty of not prosecuting them. If UCI does prosecute the students, the institution of learning is, in fact, prosecuting freedom of expression and association in such a campus. This would be a dire mistake. One that would set a precedent that should be avoided at all costs.

I urge you, as an alumni and civil libertarian, that you not prosecute those that support unpopular views. Remember, dissent makes America!

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Sample 4:

It is grossly unjust to arrest students for having the courage to stand up and speak out against a government responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Non-violent protest and civil disobedience has played a profoundly instrumental role in the civil rights movement in America - a movement being celebrated this very month.

Michael Oren represents a state condemned by more UN Human Rights Council resolutions than all other countries in the world, and is in violation of more U.N. General Assembly resolutions than any other. Such a state does not deserve honor from U.C. Irvine.

As a concerned citezen, I think it is completely outrageous that an educational institution threatens to punish it's students with suspension and expulsion for standing up for their principles and exercising their constitutional rights.

Good thing they don't have bullshit filters on the Irvine email servers or those emails would never get read.

Note that I have updated the post with a video being circulated by StandWithUs that shows the clearly coordinated nature of the disruption.

The students sending those emails should spend more time studying and less time on their loathsome extracurricular activities. They're full of grammatical errors. Some samples:

  • As an alumni. Maybe the alumnus/alumnae has multiple personality disorder.
  • Its natural that such a war and punish it's students.
  • In the long run, they reflecting poorly
On the other hand, when their message is so ridiculous, maybe it's better that they express themselves poorly.

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- Anti-Islamofascism
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- Anti-Hate
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- Anti-Genocide
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- Anti-Baby Killing
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- Anti-Honor Killing
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- Anti-IED
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- Anti-al Qada
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- Anti-hamass
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- Anti-hezbullah
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- Anti-thuggery
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The students who screamed their interruptions and the students who protest their arrest frame the incident as an issue about free speech, when in fact, it is not. It is, as my wise professor at Hampshire College has said, about academic principles and community norms. These student frame their misguided arguments this way in order to distort the plain facts of the incident and convince others that their platform is the only richeous one. They wish others to believe that to disagree with the ideas or the tactics of the Muslim Student Org at Irvine is to be morally defunct. This is hogwash, plain and simple. Rosa parks disrespected no one in her quest for equal rights. These students have not even come close to following in her footsteps.
-A Hampshire College Zionist

Micheal oren is is a war propagandist, what else expect from a former IDF?

The funney thing is his claims that the USA does more business with israel than any other Middle east nation including KSA.

I must admit that Ambassadore Micheal Oren is a ver proffesional person for two reasons.
1) he uses false numbers
2) he uses these false numbers in front of people that cant catch his propoganda.

my question is: Does this include billions of american tax payers dollars that go for militery and financial aid to ISrael?


My friend michel oren
The KSA may give shade and shelter to people , but unlike your tiny country it doesn't accept the shade of others!

Any one that left the confrence room saved himself from lies and propoganda bombardment.


Harry Truman famously said:

"I am sorry Gentleman, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents"

quote from the book: FDR meets Ibn Saud, by W.A.Eddy.


God willing, those blessed students and their children will constitute a hard number in American politics.
then indeed America will be America.A fair nation to its inhabitants and other nations.


arabian, In the civilized World, Freedom of Speech is not braying like a jackass at a conference.

Your fellow jackasses only prove the perception that arabs are low class thugs, incapable of engaging in debate.

And in a civilized world they would go to jail for a couple of hours and be released!

nothing serious happens to protesters, nothing to worry about.

#6 arabian

Harry Truman famously said:

"I am sorry Gentleman, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents"

That was after the US recognized Israel. For a long time Truman hadn't wanted to get involved. His turning point came after meeting with Chaim Weizmann, for whom he'd set aside fifteen minutes as favor to his old friend and former business partner Eddy Jacobson.

Weizmann flew to Washington and was practically smuggled in to the White House through a rear entrance lest anyone get wind of this secret meeting. There was never any question of the justice of the Zionists' cause or the necessity for a Jewish state in their ancient homeland. Weizmann, who later became Israel's first president, convinced Truman that they could pull it off.

Under Harry Truman's orders and over the objections of his Secretary of State, the US recognized Israel at 12:01 AM, one minute after the State of Israel had been declared.

Truman never regretted it. He was a good friend of Israel in the early years of the state, the third Jewish commonwealth in the land of Israel.

Oh great. The barbarian is going to lecture us about justice and civilization. The protesters were released a few hours after being arrested, probably on their own recognizance, without posting bail, at their arraignment the following morning.

But they will have to face the consequences of their unruly, uncivilized and illegal behavior.

Where arabian comes from, you can be arrested for arbitrary offenses and arbitrarily released. (Bribery often helps.) And the system of justice arabian would lecture us about as being more civilized than ours is one that chops off peoples limbs. Yeah. Really civilized.

arabian, since your fellow jackasses exercise their Freedom of Speech to scream and shout at a conference, is it also OK with you for me to exercise MY Freedom of Speech by drawing and displaying cartoons of your "prophet" muhammed/mohammed.

Since your buddies like to burn the flag of the US and Israel, is it OK with you for me to burn the flag of saudi arabia (the home of 15 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11), the one with the quote from the koran/quran printed on it?

Napps

If you stand infront of a mirror you will see a barbarian.

When talking about barbarians let us recall this story:

Rabbi Shmeul says advantage may be taken of the mistakes of Gentile. He oonce bought a gold plate as a copper one of a gentile for four zzouizim, and then cheated him out of one zouz into the bargain. Rav cahana purchased a hundred and twenty vessels of wine from a gentile for a hundred zouizom, and swindeld him in payment out of one of the hundred, and that while the gentile assured him that he confidently trusted his honesty.

and much more STEALING in BAVA KAMA fol. 113, col.2

pretty barbarian hah? bwahahhahahh


as for barbarism there is a well known arabic poem:
Nobody shall act barbarically agaianst us, except will exceed him in barbarity.

with Zionism its permissible only.

your jewish third congregation may well be a peacock today and a feather duster tomorrow.

Arabian, for heaven's sake what are you talking about with the plates? And what does it have to do with modern times besides being a really nasty attempt to smear Jews? It's just as bad as people attacking you for being a Muslim!

Furthermore - does this have anything to do with the fact that Freedom of Speech comes with a responsibility also?

Your right to free speech doesn't mean you have the right to impose your voice over that of another who's trying to speak, and your rights don't mean more than the rights of those who came to hear the speaker - especially at a university where people are trying to learn.

Also it's one thing to protest, another to disrupt, threaten and abuse.

This particular university is well known for intimidating Jewish students. That isn't right is it?

Also - Michael Oren is a great scholar. If you would listen to him, read his books, you might actually learn something.

But, I fear your ears are already closed and your mind made up. That's a shame because the other aspect of free speech is the ability we have to learn from other points of view.

In fact that's the whole point of a university isn't it?

To listen to others and maybe even modity your positions based on what you learn - that's that great gift of both the university and the open society.

Those who disrupt the opportunity of others to listen and learn are abusing them.

There are other ways to protest than trying to prevent people from speaking, listening and learning and the worst of it is, those who protested are the ones who could have learned the most from Ambassador Oren.

Instead, they just acted like bullies with closed minds.

Sophia AKBAR!

I am an American of Palestinian decent. I have followed this matter closely, and let me give you the perspective of a B.A. (also UC system), and a MBA have to offer. I think what happened was rude. Plain and simple it was rude. I think it would have been more prudent to ask tough questions at the end of his speech. That said, such disruptions should be viewed as just that disruptions and nothing else. He finished his speech, and I think the students got there point across -- crudely -- but they got it across. Now, I want you to think back to Ahmedinajad's speech in Columbia which my sister attended. I was disgusted with the level of berating and inhospitable behavior that the university threw his way. I am not a fan of Iran's president, in fact I think he should be impeached, but a university should not invite someone as a guest and then heckle him. One might say his treatment was rude and he was not allowed to speak. That said, do you think if any student bursted out in that forum that they would have been met by anything but congratulations? If Benedict Arnold gave a speech to a room full of Americans would he be greeted with hospitality? Is this situation different because Oren is some special human being above all others? If it was me I would have protested outside with university permission (or without if they said no. Just think about it. To some Muslims this guy might as well be the antichrist (no pun intended with the religious variant). At the end of the day they got there point across through disruptive speech. If there are consequences for it it should be for that specific civil disobedience, and the UC should stay the hell out of it.

If thats true what do you think of the way Ahmedinajad was treated at Columbia. I hate the guy, and I felt disgusted at our display of hospitality. Do you think if any of those students bursted out to him that they would have been met with university sanctions. NO WAY. Oh yeah, and you claim to be a zionist. So do you think what happened to the Red Indians was acceptable? Was it genocide? Or Manifest Destiny? Anyone who thinks any part of this earth is soley his or hers is mistaken. The earth is mother to us all. I think all three of the major religions have a claim to Palestine, and I am saying that as Muslim.

UC Baby, why do you hate Ahmedinajad?

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