Monday, March 8, 2010
This is just a quick link to follow -- an "aside." These are links to interesting things that, for one reason or another, I didn't place into a full posting. Click the link to visit the full article. Go to the blog index for a regular listing of posts.
Nigerian Muslim Herders Attack Christians With Machetes; 300 Dead - '...The attack, yet another jihad and provocation of the Christians, started at about 1.30 a.m. last night. We are in touch with the survivors though many of them are still in trauma. Dogo Nahawa is a Christian community. The eye-witnesses say the Hausa-Fulani Muslim militants came chanting 'Allahukabar' and broke into homes, cutting human beings, including children and women with their knives and cutlasses...'
CNN reported more than 500 killed. But so what. If there are no Jews involved it didn't happen for the most part. We should probably air drop a million more machetes and let nature work its way.
"The Religion of Peace" strikes again.
Give the herders Uzis and training to prepare for the next attack.
Last month aljazeera reported what no western media reported. State sponsored ethnic killing of Muslims in Nigeria.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6gxk6PZjmM
Its like the Immigrants Defense force tactics.
You guys. I'm sorry but all three of you are politicizing a tragedy and not one of you is expressing sorrow for the victims, Muslim or Christian.
It's deeply upsetting, at least to me.
We should be working on ways to make people realize that religious differences are nothing compared to the fact that we are all human beings and we all G*d's children, rather than gloating over the deaths of innocent people like this.
All life if precious. It doesn't matter if we are Muslims, Christians, Jews, animisits, aetheists or whoever.
By the way this was reported in the Western press Arabian, not just in al Jazeera.
Ooops.
Make that "Give the Christians Uzis and training to prepare for the next muslim attack."
Yes, arabian, defense against the Jihad is offensive. Wherever there is Islam there is conflict. It's that simple.
The muslim / Christian rampages in Nigeria,
like the mulism /Hindu rampages in India
PROVE that Israel/Zionism is NOT the problem,
islamofascism/paleSWINIANISM is the problem.
Jeez Eddie. Did you read about the fact that, in Nigeria, Christians have also attacked Muslims?
And in India, there have been some dreadful attacks on Muslims also. Obviously there has been religious war in Europe between Christian sects for hundreds of years.
No. The real, underlying issue is religious and ethnic intolerance. That obviously has victimized Jews, maybe more than anyone else, at least anyone else still alive, other religious/ethnic groups having been completely wiped out by now.
Even today, when we are supposedly enlightened, people in Europe are still attacking gypsies.
Don't you think it's high time, this being the year 5770 and all, on the Hebrew calendar that is, that people as a group all started trying to get past this s***?
If people want to worship purple caterpillars, so what?
Maybe it's silly but it's hardly an excuse to attack them, and similarly starting "holy wars" has just got to stop. This goes for everybody, every religious group, period.
We have real problems on this planet, like the dead zones in the ocean, in fact there are parts of the Pacific which are literally covered with plastic, and people just are not taking these issues seriously.
But they threaten the oceans, our source of life, and that threatens all of us, all the creatures of the world, and it won't matter in the end who is Muslim, Christian, rich, poor or whoever.
Islam is always on the offense. "Attacks" by Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, et. al., tend to be self-defense or, in the worst case, retaliation. Eddie is right.
Please stop apologizing for the "civilization" of clashes.
Yes, there has been violence by Christians and Muslims against Muslims. It's called push-back. The Crusades, a word derived from Spanish and Middle French for cross, were a response to the expansion of Islamic conquest in Europe. You can call them religious wars, if you will, and chalk them up to non-PC religious intolerance in today's multi-culti way of looking at the world, but that simplistic analysis just doesn't get to the heart of the matter.
One more thing. Maybe it's not so much about religion and intolerance as it is about power. Do you think it's a coincidence that the massacre happened in the Nigeria's South, where the oil deposits are located?
Of course, Jihad, the Islamic mission of dominating and subjugating everyone else, provides convenient justification and validation for people who aren't driven by base greed. It's perfect.
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The Islamic land is far stretched. Its unlike your fare away Island, nor like the small insignificant piece of lland along the mediteranian. When you have a far stretched land like this, with many nieghbourghs and nationalities problems rises sometimes. So dont think you are smart when you blaber those insignificant words from your silly State behind a wirless computer. You clearly need to get out of the dirt box that you put yourself in and learn the realities out of the island you live in.
Moreover 2 weeks ago a Bishop was dispatched to washington DC to speck in the Hudson institute, I heard the podcast 2 weeks ago, It really looks like a missionary zealot work that mixed with jungle barbarism that produced the massacare agianst muslims in Nigeria. (The massacare that wasnt reported in your far away Island, it took place before this killing you are reading about).
Oh right. Muslims are always guilty and Christians are always innocent.
C'mon Nappy. You are a more subtle thinker than that, with a better grasp of history.
And, there's a point beyond which "push-back" becomes mindless violence.
Plus, how does "push-back" against Islam explain the brutal forced conversion of Jews and Native Americans?
Meanwhile I am not sure what Arabian is trying to say.
Perhaps he could elaborate.
Is he saying, "Lo, the Muslim lands are great and the Jewish land is small, but an island, a mere island in the huge Arabian sea?"
Because if so, hallelujah, HE GETS THE PICTURE.
So, that being the case, maybe he will convince his friends that they of the vast lands should maybe leave the people of the tiny island alone, and not try to take what little they have.
Right?
Sophia said...
"So, that being the case, maybe he will convince his friends that they of the vast lands should maybe leave the people of the tiny island alone, and not try to take what little they have."
LOL!
Nice dream. How likely is it? ANY example of muslims thinking like your dream?
arabian said...
"Last month aljazeera reported what no western media reported. State sponsored ethnic killing of Muslims in Nigeria.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6gxk6PZjmM"
Really?
Once again arabian, you are WRONG.
Published: January 19, 2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/world/africa/20nigeria.html
arabian, your problem is very clear.
arabian you are wrong because you are fed false information ake LIES from INCOMPETENT arab/muslim dominated news sources.
#13 Sophia
Right on both counts, but the comments that follow still fall short of the mark.As someone whose great-grandparents fled the pogroms in Waraw in the 1880s and whose parents fled Germany after Kristallnacht, Nappy doesn't need to be reminded of intolerance and violence by Christians. Nor is Christian antisemitism or triumphalism dead, as the recent incident in Kishinev, Moldova illustrates. But Christianity has undergone its reformation, and fundamentalists like those in Moldova are fringe elements. Major denominations (Roman Catholic and Protestant) have moved away from replacement theology and speak of multiple covenants or dispensations. Their theological framework specifically creates a context for tolerance coexistence.
Islam, on the other hand, is still stuck in the dark ages, waiting for its reform. Last week's fatwa by Sheikh Dr. Al Qadri condemning terrorism and suicide bombing is a positive step, but it's too soon to see if it's the beginning of the beginning. It will be a long slog.
By conflating religious violence from different times and places by different groups as a single phenomenon without considering the differences or historic trends, Sophia's analysis is simplistic; it lacks subtlety and depth.
Ah, the truth always brings out the ire of a real arabian.
Don't lecture me, you sanctimonious putz. I've spent half my life amid the glorious expanse of islam's conquested bazaar and am well exposed to its liars, thieves, murderers, and brigands. Don't speak to me of realities when the entire edifice of yours is built on fantasy, lies, and delusions of grandeur. All from a people who couldn't begin to fashion the technology you use to declaim your pathetic "narrative." Yes, the islamic land is far stretched--end to occupation!
g, gee, AKHBAR!
Right, Nappy, about reform. I think that's a critical issue.
Also, you mention the possibility of power balance in the south of Nigeria, due to the proximity of the oil fields.
That is also a cogent observation. There's a fortune involved and a lot of political clout to anybody who controls this.
BTW are you guys aware that Brazil and also Argentian offshore regions are apparently full of oil?
Not to be off topic but this has potential long range implications, there is some sabre rattling again between Britain and Argentina and also da Silva is flipping us the bird re Iran, and I didn't understand why until I read about the oil issue.
There's a lot of oil in Alaska's north slope and the continental shelf. Why we continue to send money to the Saudis and other Gulf states or to Cesar Chavez's Venezuela simply passes understanding.
It's absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable that we should fund those who want to destroy us, and yet we do it.
Hillel's been posting about another self-destructive, pathological behavior:Combined Jewish Philanthropies: Worse Than Originally Suspected... [Hillel]
Sophia,
Jeez Eddie. Did you read about the fact that, in Nigeria, Christians have also attacked Muslims?
Why?
Put that into context and "the circle of violence" will materialize.
Just like the one used in criticizing Israel's action against terrorists.