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I really didnt support the building of the mosque in that place, not because of sensibility to the 9/11 families , but because eastern europeans immigrants will use Gobbles propaganda to scare Americans of the mosque.
anyways, I Hope the mosque gets built so that it becomes a place of learning where any average american can enter and learn about Islam, not having to read about islam in places like Jihad watch other hatesites. As for people of prejudice they wont enter the mosque even if it gets built.
on the other hand, if we use Immigrant daniel Gordis logic.
then muslims have the right not to allow any syngoge to be built in the arab and muslim world, because we could call them Sabra and shatila syngouge, or gaza war syngouge......exc. I really laugh when I see syngouges built in the funney states of the middle east that try to enter the enlightment age, its not progressive at all!
(Thanks god there wont be any syngouges in the arabian peninsula because its a desert and jews are blessed not to live there)
As for what USA should learn from Israel,
I think the USA should learn from Israel that if your not going to steal land then dont go to war. What else could Israel teach the world. Netinyahoo is already in the USA and he could teach americans barbarity .
And a happy QUDS DAY for all muslims and christians who have places of worship in jeruslim above ground.
I just want to say again that when it comes to Islam, look at how little, at bottom, separates the neocons (right-liberals) from the left-liberals. They both believe that Islam is a religion like other religions and can be assimilated to the tolerant liberal society. Compared to this commonality, the differences between them (the neocons believe that there is one small part of Islam that is bad, the left-liberals believe that there are no parts of Islam that are bad) are minor. Thus, when it comes to the consuming issue of the Ground Zero Mosque, the neocons believe a big mosque and Islamic center should not be built right next to the destroyed World Trade Center, because that is an example of the bad Islam, but that all other mosques are fine and the ongoing Islamization of America is fine. The left-liberals believe that a big mosque and Islamic center should be built right next to the destroyed World Trade Center, because there is not such thing as bad Islam, and, of course, that all other mosques are fine and the ongoing Islamization of America is fine.
Now to my point. Just today I was saying to a friend, how can the aggressive defenders of the Ground Zero mosque hold that position? And the answer was that they hold it on the basis that Islam is just a religion like other religions. Therefore to expect the Muslims to move the mosque, is unacceptable.
But then the question became: HOW, given the facts about Islam--which are not secret, not esoteric, not unavailable to ordinary people, but a part of the common knowledge of the world for over a thousand years--NOT be known by so many Westerners today? How can they believe the very opposite of the truth to be the truth?
Now, I myself have gone pretty far in getting at the psychology of liberals and how they excuse Islam, but even I do not know the ultimate answer to that question. To find the answer, I would have to have a long, one-on-one conversation with a liberal about Islam. I would have to lay out the facts for him about Islam, and then let him raise every argument he has against those facts, and then I would have to show him, one by one, why those arguments were wrong. And then, at the end of this laborious process, when I had refuted every one of his false positions by which he defended Islam, and he had no reasonable excuse to go on defending Islam, and he would nevertheless go on defending it, at that point I might--might--come to understand what drove him to believe the gross illusions he believes.
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I really didnt support the building of the mosque in that place, not because of sensibility to the 9/11 families , but because eastern europeans immigrants will use Gobbles propaganda to scare Americans of the mosque.
anyways, I Hope the mosque gets built so that it becomes a place of learning where any average american can enter and learn about Islam, not having to read about islam in places like Jihad watch other hatesites. As for people of prejudice they wont enter the mosque even if it gets built.
on the other hand, if we use Immigrant daniel Gordis logic.
then muslims have the right not to allow any syngoge to be built in the arab and muslim world, because we could call them Sabra and shatila syngouge, or gaza war syngouge......exc. I really laugh when I see syngouges built in the funney states of the middle east that try to enter the enlightment age, its not progressive at all!
(Thanks god there wont be any syngouges in the arabian peninsula because its a desert and jews are blessed not to live there)
As for what USA should learn from Israel,
I think the USA should learn from Israel that if your not going to steal land then dont go to war. What else could Israel teach the world. Netinyahoo is already in the USA and he could teach americans barbarity .
And a happy QUDS DAY for all muslims and christians who have places of worship in jeruslim above ground.
ARABIAN
I just want to say again that when it comes to Islam, look at how little, at bottom, separates the neocons (right-liberals) from the left-liberals. They both believe that Islam is a religion like other religions and can be assimilated to the tolerant liberal society. Compared to this commonality, the differences between them (the neocons believe that there is one small part of Islam that is bad, the left-liberals believe that there are no parts of Islam that are bad) are minor. Thus, when it comes to the consuming issue of the Ground Zero Mosque, the neocons believe a big mosque and Islamic center should not be built right next to the destroyed World Trade Center, because that is an example of the bad Islam, but that all other mosques are fine and the ongoing Islamization of America is fine. The left-liberals believe that a big mosque and Islamic center should be built right next to the destroyed World Trade Center, because there is not such thing as bad Islam, and, of course, that all other mosques are fine and the ongoing Islamization of America is fine.
Now to my point. Just today I was saying to a friend, how can the aggressive defenders of the Ground Zero mosque hold that position? And the answer was that they hold it on the basis that Islam is just a religion like other religions. Therefore to expect the Muslims to move the mosque, is unacceptable.
But then the question became: HOW, given the facts about Islam--which are not secret, not esoteric, not unavailable to ordinary people, but a part of the common knowledge of the world for over a thousand years--NOT be known by so many Westerners today? How can they believe the very opposite of the truth to be the truth?
Now, I myself have gone pretty far in getting at the psychology of liberals and how they excuse Islam, but even I do not know the ultimate answer to that question. To find the answer, I would have to have a long, one-on-one conversation with a liberal about Islam. I would have to lay out the facts for him about Islam, and then let him raise every argument he has against those facts, and then I would have to show him, one by one, why those arguments were wrong. And then, at the end of this laborious process, when I had refuted every one of his false positions by which he defended Islam, and he had no reasonable excuse to go on defending Islam, and he would nevertheless go on defending it, at that point I might--might--come to understand what drove him to believe the gross illusions he believes.